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Comprehensive Taking Finger Prints and Pictures ffs...

Hi all found out this morning that my children, and the rest of the school soon have had there finger prints (middle finger) taken and pictures taken for "registration and library use"..

I'm a little pissed about this as you can imagine, as I have had no notification of this, and they have already been done..!!! All with a joke of "we will check if you have commited any crimes now" ( I should have the companies name who are rolling this out today....)

Where do I stand with regards to complaining about this..?? What can I do to mess the progress up..? before they get my other child who is still in junior school...???

Where is this going to end....?? we are all f**ked......

I can supply details on school etc if anyone is interested....

Hi Guest, have a look atthese threads:

http://forum.no2id.net/viewtopic.php?t=5338

http://forum.no2id.net/viewtopic.php?t=2392

Good luck

Hi Guest

I'd be very interested to find out more about the school fingerprint registration scheme. I have a real bee in my bonnet about the country abusing the rights of children and teaching them not to expect to be treated as much like human beings as they are cattle, and I'd really like to know more as it would be useful for another project I'm working on.

I think you could write a letter outlining your concerns to the National Union of Teachers.

As your children are your responsibility surely you should have been asked permission before these biometrics were taken.

Taking the fingerprints of the coming generations without parental permiision or even informing parents?


I'm sorry, but how many clues will it take - how many rights and liberties must disappear - before people accept the increasingly obvious conclusion that the enemy is at the gate?

Right have registered now

The company is Vericool, what a nice fun name to impress children huh...

Monday will see a letter and phonecall, followed by a meeting with the head..

Apparently funding from the National Assembly for Wales was allocated to the school for "security" so they choose to use it on a finger and face scheme...

Which convinently involves the above company, and has been happening in other schools with the same company..

Will let you know how it goes from a little corner of the ID battleground..

As mentioned in the other threads linked, it is a part of Anteon(UK) Ltd, though interestingly there is a company called Vericool Limited (reg 20/10/05) which has a different address - there is no indication of whether these are related. Anyone have better information?

Yes. They are at the gate but they have to be invited in before they can enter. They can ask in a variety of cunning and subtle ways though, and a farcical "democratic" process is part of this. Social conditioning seems to be an important step in getting past the gate, and probably removing it altogether.

murkster, please let us know how you get on.

If this had happened to my kids I would be livid.

If you've not been asked permission first, can't this legally be considered as assault?

This is really diabolical, isn't it. What right do they have to subject innocent children to this type of treatment?
I hope you will make your feelings plain, Murkster, in your meetings with the Head etc.
Surely, 'common courtesy' should have prevailed here, and all parents and guardians should have been notified by the school about the plans for implimenting this.
No, it seems instead, that they have subjected your children and all the others to this procedure without any consultation.
Good luck with your meetings, please let us know how you get on.

Little more info, apparently we had a note about it in the school newsletter..??

I remember reading about new registration scheme being introduced, but NOTHING about finger prints/pictures being taken.

I have a friend who is VERY out spoken who is furious about this, his child goes to the same school and has already been "indexed", and he is doing the same as me, he has already phoned the school and got nothing but flannel and side stepping of the questions he put to them.

They are on very slippery ground...

We are also planning to get leaflets handed out warning parents of what is happening, and to tag it to the no2id cause, and letting the local rag know.

PS

About 200 emails got sent to quite high wankers sorry rankers in the local authority, and they will get a few more, lets see what feathers are ruffeld..

Will let you all know what happens

M

This is proof that Blair and Labour are acting like nazis.

Look at history - Hitler youth, classification of people, climate of fear and suspicion.

This is not the sort of country I want.

Lets keep the UK FREE!

That's just the tip of the iceberg. DNA lists of children taken into police custody for whatever reason are being compiled, as was reported in the news not that long ago. (LIST OF POTENTIAL CRIMINALS AND PEOPLE WORTHY OF EXTRA SURVEILLANCE?)

At www.everychildmatters.gov.uk next to the healthy, smiling pictures of happy children, you can click on links that will tell you all about the Common Assessment Framework, and the Children's Index or Information Sharing Index. What they'll tell you is that 'in the interests of protecting children' they're going to have some very personal information about every child (download the CAF forms for a look at how your child will be assessed for the negative effects of poverty, his/her 'brusque' manner, his/her family history......)

Every child's information will be accessible via the Children's Index (which, from the NO2ID main site, I gather is being discussed as a potential 'add-on' to the NIR) although I'm not as clear as I'd like to be whether Common Assessment Data will be on the database, or just pointed to (although if the government claims that it's protecting children by information sharing then I'd consider it likely that every child considered at risk or scoring multiple points would show up clearly for anyone accessing the database)

The database will be accessible to people with a 'legitimate' reason for using it (doctors, teachers, sure start workers, speech therapists, maybe even nursery managers)

The NIR in more detail? The future model of the NIR, once these children that have never HAD privacy to value it grow up? There's some very interesting academic debate about it, but sadly not a lot and not, it seems, anything that's been published.

I'd have the head teacher up before the school governors for failing to inform you of the new registration scheme and how it would work.

Vericool is based in Peterborough. This is what the Vericool website says:

'Fingertip Registration and Anti-Truancy Software'.



So Vericool are cashing in on the government's claim that every child is a potential criminal before they have left school. What happened to presumption of innocence?

Check out the site: http://www.vericool.co.uk/home.html

It's all hard-sell. They are obviously looking at maximising their profits - what complete scumbags.

Bob the Builder is right; 'the enemy is at the gate' and this is pure indoctrination. The government are trying to condition the children into believing they are all potential criminals and accepting that having their fingerprints and pictures taken (and other invasions of privacy e.g. school surveillance camera's) are a normal part of life.

Local press would run a story on this if enough parents write in. Which would be useful because it will help warn other parents about what is going on and strengthen your case.

I'd definitely take this up with the school governors first - you should at least have had a letter from the school about the Vericool system and how it would work.

This is of course an outrage, and you have every right to be both angry and to take the matter further...

If the school had intention of doing this then it should have obtained the specific permission of parents after giving a thorough explanation, a cursory mention in a newsletter is lipservice to giving proper notification...

I suspect the reason a proper explanation was not given, and why explicit permissions were not sought from parents, is because it was forseen that there would be objections if that were done...

It being more difficult to challenge something after it is done than to resist it prior to its doing...

May I suggest taking up the matter with your local county councillor, who may not be able to raise the matter him / herself, but who will certainly be able to get a colleague sitting on the education committee to do so.

You must also make some kind of public address to all parents, i don't know whether you are self confident or not but to simply stand somewhere where you can be heard and get peoples attention, spell out to the parents what the school has done. Do this when they are waiting to pick their kid up, don't just go to the head as a single person.

Go to your local MP also

Ok this is a quote from their website... now not being funny but surley all the same children touching the same finger print scanner and then eating their food in a canteen would cause transferance of germs and be unhygienic.

Is this part of Anteon US, whose employees became embroiled in the Abu Ghraib abuse?

http://www.envirosagainstwar.org/know/read.php?itemid=2469

http://www.vericool.co.uk/home.html

homepage.

Hygiene isn't really high up on kids' list of priorities either. They rely on spit-washes from their mums don't they?

That is truly mad. How desperate do you have to be when you are reduced to using that as your argument?!

I certainly believe this to be the case. *clickety* Yes it is. Anteon is one big happy multinational corporation.

If Vericool is not a fully independent company, then any assurances that data will not be used outside 'the company' will be rather *un*reassuring since that could mean any part of said not-small corporation.

I'm a little uncomfortable about the 'online enquiry form'. It goes off somewhere else again - though I think this might be their web hosting provider. One hopes.

Heh. Cash, unhygenic? Damn - no wonder we all died mysteriously after nipping down to the shops. Perhaps this is the present-day equivalent of needing telephone sanitisers...?

Edit : Anteon UK featured on BBC site - not favourably either...
Edit2 : found this as well : ASA Non-broadcast Adjudication

This really is disgusting and reminiscent of Nazi Germany. See if you can get it into a national newspaper.