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 Post subject: Paying Tax and Access to services
PostPosted: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 09:32:01 +0000 
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Something I was thinking...

If it eventually becomes a situation (god forbid) where you are denied basic public services if you don't have an ID card, would it be possible to start appealing against paying Tax if you refuse to have one in a legal sense?

For example, why should I be paying for the NHS/police/etc. if I do not have legal access to this service?

I'm thinking that perhaps these legal challenges, if successful, could hurt the governement's wallet which may be the only way to get them to listen.


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PostPosted: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 10:21:27 +0000 
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I think a lot of CND and anti-war people have (over many decades) tried withholding tax to hurt the defence budget, but got nowhere other than prosecuted.

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I think a lot of CND and anti-war people have (over many decades) tried withholding tax to hurt the defence budget, but got nowhere other than prosecuted.

A few won't hurt the system much. But maybe if a lot withheld at the same time? Just a thought.


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PostPosted: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 19:20:15 +0000 
If you don't have identity papers, the NHS is trash so you won't be missing anything, but you will have legal access to Her Majesty's Prisons, all paid for in advance.


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"Trash" is a bit strong. Admittedly the quality of NHS service is extremely variable, but it is quite capable of being excellent as well as miserable.

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I believe that you can withhold parts of your tax bills that are appropriated for means you are against, such as conscientious objectors would have an argument for holding parts of their tax that fund the british war machine, however by doing so, I do believe that it is the case you must find out exactly the amount used from your contribution and even then face legal action from the government, however judges have rules in peoples favour before (almost all before 1960 tho). Its possible, yes but stupidly hard and designed to be impossible.

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Let's face it, if you became a 'non-person' by not having an ID card when they become compulsory, and therefore have no right to access any government services etc... they'd be a bit cheeky to expect tax!


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Trinity wrote:
Let's face it, if you became a 'non-person' by not having an ID card when they become compulsory, and therefore have no right to access any government services etc... they'd be a bit cheeky to expect tax!


Prostitution is not unlawful, but I believe there have been decided cases where the right of the Revenue to tax the income has been maintained, but certain claims for expenses not allowed to be offset against tax liabilities.

One good reason for knowing who people are and where they are has always been so as to tax either themselves (poll taxes), their work or earnings, their capital, and their land. And of course sales taxes, once you move from a tax on sales to a value added tax.

The real reasons for the NIS/NIR are a mixture of control (sought for centuries) and taxation (ditto).

Not quite half :-)

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