David Moss wrote:
May I test a campaigning point?
Sure. Always.
David Moss wrote:
Back in 2005, the
LSEmade the important observation that common law countries like the US and the UK tend to dislike ID cards whereas few people's feathers are ruffled by them in countries like, say, Germany and Austria.
In a brief exchange on this matter, I was advised that the US REAL ID Act was not really (sorry) designed to introduce ID cards in the same way as our Identity Cards Bill (as it was then).
Brief exchange with who - someone at the LSE?
David Moss wrote:
That was a sort of denial. After all, "if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it just may be a duck" (attributed to Walter Reuther).
In 2005, and even now, REAL ID is intended to federate the US driving license - the effect of which may be to create a
de facto ID card, as opposed to ID cards
de jure as in the UK. While I agree with you and many others about the ultimate consequences, I'm not sure that academic precision should be equated to a "denial".
The clear distiction is that US wouldn't dare attempt to directly impose an ID card - and seems to be having a few difficulties taking the back door approach, as well...
David Moss wrote:
Why the denial? Because, for campaigning purposes, the idea was to mark out the politicians in the UK as unique among common law countries in wanting ID cards. "Unique" presumably was meant to equal "bad".
That is a poor argument. As is its converse. The government are always arguing that we have to e.g. move towards using biometrics because other countries are. Where is the logic in that? They speak Hungarian in Hungary. Is that a reason for us to speak Hungarian in the UK?
We would do well, I suggest, to argue less on the basis that
the UK ID card scheme is unique. And we would do well to spend a bit more time, resources permitting, making common cause with anti-ID card campaigners in other countries.
"Uniqueness amongst common law countries" is not actually an argument that NO2ID
does use a great deal - whatever people may post in the forums. It was a line both Liberty & the LSE put forward, and which we may have used earlier in the campaign. It most certainly wasn't a central plank or thrust of our argument.
"Uniquely bad" is more the line we take in this area, and this certainly does stand up to international comparison. If you get people to look at how other countries do ID cards, it throws into sharp contrast some of the decisions taken by our politicians - "more gung-ho about biometrics than the People's Republic of China", "centralising citizen data in a way that is constitutionally banned in Germany", etc. - and makes the important point that things don't actually have to be the way the Home Office says they do.
The point about 'the hand of the EU' is different, and not primarily about "uniqueness". The UK ID scheme is not being
driven from Brussels - which, as you rightly point out, gets you no further to an actual explanation anyway - but there are clearly shared/common agendas.
Our international outreach is, as you acknowledge, limited by resources - but as of this week, NO2ID has registered supporters in 39 other countries and HQ is in direct contact with anti-ID campaigns and campaigners in the US, the Netherlands, Australia, Serbia, Japan and (through our extended network) privacy campaigners in literally dozens of other countries. "Creating common cause" is one thing, another immediate goal is to reach those in/from other countries who do not yet realise the impact that the UK ID scheme will have
on them.
David Moss wrote:
I believe that the pressure point is biometrics. The biometrics being deployed in the UK and elsewhere are
not reliable enoughto support the weight of expectations -- expectations that they can stop people registering duplicate identities and expectations that they can identify people reliably and quickly.
IPS in the UK ignore that point. After all, the US rely on these biometrics. And perhaps Italy relies on them for the same reason. Etc ... It's like the pile of tins in the supermarket. If we can get one senior politician to say the biometrics
emperor has no clothes, then the whole pile could fall down.
After the initial shock, there would be great kudos for the politician who does that.
I suggested it to John Reid. So much kudos, I suggested, that he could launch a bid for the leadership of the Labour Party on that basis. Another one of my success stories.
My campaigning point? Lobby in the UK and, as much as possible, abroad. It takes one Interior Minister or Treasury Secretary or Prime Minister, anywhere in the pile of tins, to point out that the biometrics emperor has no clothes and we are all wasting our money, to bring the whole pile down.
While you are absolutely right about biometrics not being up to the job, getting anyone
in a position to do anything about it to admit that the emperor has no clothes is an immense task. For one, the vested interests are huge and go way beyond government.
Tackling biometrics within the context of the ID scheme is what we do, and will continue to lobby and brief on this basis - but we don't oppose biometrics (or any technology)
per se. And, in the absence of being able to mount our own large-scale trials, we'll only get the chance to
illustrate the fallability of biometrics when the government actually starts fingerprinting some people - probably next year. Claim and counter claim in the absence of evidence is unlikely to convince anyone.
Don't forget, the results of the 2004 UKPS biometric enrolment trial didn't put the government off. Nor did CESG's refusal to sign off on the use of biometrics within government, let alone on mass populations. HO has been forced to create its own 'biometrics assurance group' to rubber stamp whatever they do. Most ministers are technologically illiterate, and - while in office - committed to the government's course of action anyway.
I suspect it would take a lot more than one Minister or Prime Minister's statement to bring the whole biometrics pile down at this point. Most countries will comply with ICAO, US visa waiver and Schengen - even if they don't have to. The question is what would (minimal) compliance involve*, and which countries (like the UK) will use this as an excuse to drive forward their own internal programmes of population control?
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*Putting, e.g. two fingerprints onto a chip on a passport, for the purpose of one-to-one matching only - i.e. "Is the pile of flesh in front of me associated with this document?", is certainly within the capabilities of current biometric technology. No NIR or ID interrogations required.
One-to-many matching to prevent multiple applications and 'identify' suspects is a dangerous fantasy. The politician who gets up and says this, and then applies it to their ePassport programme (and junks any plans for internal ID control) will save millions if not billions. But this person is likely to be someone who wants to get rid of the ID programme already...