NO2ID

Why is the Civil Liberties Forum locked?

Best regards

Because the aim of restructuring the forums is to focus them on NO2ID's activities and interests. To make them more an adjunct to the campaign.

"Civil Liberties" needs to be pruned when the mods have time, but it is now there to point to other more appropriate places for discussions we don't feel are under our fairly broad umbrella. It should be mostly links.

Ah, I think I get it now; sorry for being so slow.

The posts appearing there recently have been moved from other fora. They are further from NO2ID's interests than, for example, the fora on passports and the centralised NHS database. Also further from those interests than the forum "Links".

OK

Guy,

I understand you wish the forums to focus on ID cards, but after reading all the material and forums about a year ago there seems very little new to add to the ID debate. I have made up my mind..and will be sending my membership in shortly.

The Civil Liberties forum has a wide range of related topics, and for the last 6 months has been the first place I look when coming to the site, as it has new issues / arguments / viewpoints. It's a shame that topics are now locked as it could mean less of a community building around the site.

Anyway thanks for putting so much work in.

The point of the forums is ancillary to the campaign. It exists to help answer questions and spread information. - Which it seems to have done for you, so it has done its work.

To the extent that the forum persuades people to support the campaign, or helps them to go out and persuade others, or spreads news among suppoters, then it fulfils its function. Other activity is a cost to the campaign and dysfunctional. (I'd cite particularly the debates, which frequently don't get locked off into "civil liberties" quickly enough, about police powers.)

We don't want a talking shop, and the discussion here is not an end in itself. We are a single-issue campaign. We're not much interested in having a debate among ourselves, to that degree. Our wide differences of opinion on other questions are in danger of diminishing our effectiveness. This is actually particularly true of 'civil liberties' questions, where a lot of people differ even on the extent of the universe of discourse.