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 Post subject: Value of local group websites
PostPosted: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:02:11 +0000 
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How do those of you who have your own local-group websites rate the effectiveness (effort-to-return ratio) of either making one yourself or getting someone else to do it? Are they good value for effort or not?


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PostPosted: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:25:19 +0000 
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To add to Ian's question - how useful do people find having a local mailing list (a facility that NO2ID can supply to established local groups)?

From reports, quite a few have found them useful for keeping in touch with local supporters and coordinating actions, meetings, etc. Brighton, for example, publishes its own newsletter and has an active local supporter list. And I understand Swindon and some other groups have set up their own forums, or established a NO2ID presence on a pre-existing local forum.

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PostPosted: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:37:39 +0000 
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A mailing list is essential. Bristol NO2ID is moving to an online forum (www.talk-bristol.org - up in a few of days) but you need some way to help interested parties get involved.

Bristol NO2ID started via a Yahoo Group. Memberships trickled in until we had enough to kick off a local campaign.

The value of a website is harder to measure.
http://www.bristol-no2id.org.uk/ has shot up to 250 hits a day, but most of those are web/blogcrawlers/Godknowswhat. About 5 a day have referral URLs and 1.5 a day of those goes to the Alternative FAQ.

My advice is get someone else to build something simple and elegant that uses the central NO2ID news ticker. And then explain to me how to do the latter. ;)

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PostPosted: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:16:23 +0000 
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I agree with Dave. In Glasgow we started off with a couple of "SmartGroups" mailing lists. We have now moved to using two no2id-hosted lists, which are far more reliable, offer much greater flexibility and don't require us to ask people to register with a third party. The only downside of the no2id-hosted lists is that we don't receive bounces when sending invitations to non-existant e-addresses, so we don't know which scrawls (provided on petitions) to spend time on trying to reinterpet.

The reason for having two lists is so that we can have one (campaign list) for discussion among committed supporters and another (announcement list) for contacting people who want to be kept informed but do not want to be swamped by e-mails. It is very noticeable that many people drop off the announcement list if it is often used so I try very hard to minimise the number of messages sent to it, using it only when necessary. Although it is tempting to tell everyone everything that is going on, it should be assumed that anyone who is interested will subscribe to the national newsletter (which definitely gets widely read and gets results!)

It is very difficult to estimate how useful websites are. They don't necessarily get many hits, but they sometimes prove quite useful. I wouldn't recommend spending a great deal of effort or money on creating one, but something simple can usually be knocked-up and maintained fairly easily and you may well find that there are local people who would be happy to volunteer to take on the task of further developing a website; it is, after all, a much easier way for the less-committed to contribute to the campaign than standing with a stall on a wet and windy afternoon.

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PostPosted: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 17:39:24 +0000 
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Geraint wrote:
I agree with Dave. In Glasgow we started off with a couple of "SmartGroups" mailing lists. We have now moved to using two no2id-hosted lists, which are far more reliable, offer much greater flexibility and don't require us to ask people to register with a third party. The only downside of the no2id-hosted lists is that we don't receive bounces when sending invitations to non-existant e-addresses, so we don't know which scrawls (provided on petitions) to spend time on trying to reinterpet.


We check email addesses before they go on to the lists by sending an initial "Thanks for visiting the stall" email directly to each one (using BCC, so none of the recipients can see each other's email address). Any bounces from this can be used to correct/eliminate bad addresses before they get added to the list.

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The reason for having two lists is so that we can have one (campaign list) for discussion among committed supporters and another (announcement list) for contacting people who want to be kept informed but do not want to be swamped by e-mails. It is very noticeable that many people drop off the announcement list if it is often used so I try very hard to minimise the number of messages sent to it, using it only when necessary. Although it is tempting to tell everyone everything that is going on, it should be assumed that anyone who is interested will subscribe to the national newsletter (which definitely gets widely read and gets results!)


Agree on all points. Cambridge also uses two lists in exactly this way, and the arrangement works well for us. Our "announcement" list helped us find 25 people to sign a joint letter to the paper which got us on the front page, a mob of people for a lunchtime photo opportunity, attendees for "Question Time" in Cambridge, and several other one-off events. However, we too find that if it's over-used, people drop off, so I try to limit announcements to one per fortnight at most.

On the other hand, the activists' discission list can get quite busy.

Geraint wrote:
It is very difficult to estimate how useful websites are. They don't necessarily get many hits, but they sometimes prove quite useful. I wouldn't recommend spending a great deal of effort or money on creating one, but something simple can usually be knocked-up and maintained fairly easily and you may well find that there are local people who would be happy to volunteer to take on the task of further developing a website; it is, after all, a much easier way for the less-committed to contribute to the campaign than standing with a stall on a wet and windy afternoon.


Also agreed. We have a rather skeletal web site that doesn't get much maintenance, but at least lets people know we exist. I don't think we'd miss it much if it wasn't there.

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PostPosted: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:46:33 +0000 
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The basic recruitment strategy is:
Make it as natural as possible for people to get more involved.

The largely unknown factor that makes this strategy surprisingly successful is best known as Cialdini's Commitment Principle.

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We use the mailing list and our forum to communicate.

When we collect names from street petitioning, I send a personal note of thanks and point folk to the mailing list and the forum.
We started out with a website which quickly became a bit of an overhead.

Most people find us now via an online search,press, leafleting or the forum.

The local forum has been a secret weapon for us.
When Geoff first set it up, I wasa bit bemused - uncertain of it's use.
We gave it a generic name ( talkswindon) which is part of the secret.
People will contribute to a local forum much more happily than they'll contribute to a national one.
Talkswindon has turned into a clearing house of local politics and views.
We` had some bloke representing the dep.PM's office asking about it's sucess - even offered Geoff funding - they wanted to know how Talkswindon worked when most e-democracy sites bogged themselves down ( and out)




It also has the benefit of having a few private areas where we can plot and plan with comfort.

If anyone wants advice on how to set up a forum... I'm sure Geoff will be vee happy to help -

geoff@talkswindon.org

see the forum
www.talkswidon.org

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PostPosted: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:56:24 +0000 
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Quick URL and email correction:

www.talkswindon.org

and geoffreid@talkswindon.org :)


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PostPosted: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 15:27:56 +0000 
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I think local sites can be useful if they're updated regularly and have correct contact info etc. An out of date website just screams "these people aren't committed"

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PostPosted: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:21:33 +0000 
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True, but it's hard for some co-ordinators to keep their sites up-to-date along with the zillion other things they have to do, generally with minimal help from others.

So, please help if you can and can someone explain how to include the NO2ID News RSS feed on a website?

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PostPosted: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 07:14:32 +0000 
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davegould wrote:
My advice is get someone else to build something simple and elegant that uses the central NO2ID news ticker. And then explain to me how to do the latter. ;)


Hi Dave, the news on the front page uses RSS, the best option for syndicating it on your web site would be to install Magpie RSS Parser on your server. It's free and you can get it here.. http://magpierss.sourceforge.net/

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PostPosted: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 07:27:19 +0000 
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Hi again, just looked at your site Dave and notice it's a Wordpress site.. makes things a lot easier.

There's plenty of plugins and tricks around for Wordpress, just google for one or check out some I have bookmarked:

http://www.i-jeriko.de/2006/04/04/impor ... ress-blog/
http://laughingmeme.org/2004/07/18/word ... ggregator/
http://wp-plugins.net/?filter=rss
http://codex.wordpress.org/Plugins/Syndication

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PostPosted: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 10:22:10 +0000 
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Thanks, but the Wordpress site is only for the alternative FAQ. The main site is in PHP, kindly written by the Nottingham DefyID co-ordinator.

Dr Wibble has already offered to help. :)

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