NO2ID

I believe the ID Cards Bill will in it's current form be in breach of the European Convention of Human Rights.

Do we have to wait until the government passes a law that breaches the ECoHR before the might of Europe can be brought to bear on them? Surely it would then be too late? Does anyone know whether there is anything that can be or is being done now on this front?

N.

I agree, If there is a Newspaper out there willing to take this up or a individual or another group then please come foreward.

You are kidding aren't you???

Every year thousands of blatant breaches happen in the UK and the EU does squat diddly about it...

Everyone has a right to a private life... broken!

Everyone has the right to freely move... broken!

Discrimination a-plenty, you can probably find that every article is broken frequently by this government or local authorities and nothing is done except a few token cases in Strasbourg.

We are also supposed to be protected by SafeHarbor which is a treaty to protect EU details in the US and yet the UK government GIVES them to the US in the form of Echelon.

If Qinetiq get the contract (if it gets in) this means that Carlyle Grp will get our details as they own 36% of the privatised MoD, this means the company headed by George Bush Snr will have carté blanché with our private lives and all you have to do is put Carlyle grp in to a google search to find out about that group of companies and the dark deeds they are involved with.

I, like many people believe that Bush and Blair are placing safeguards to prevent mass civil disobedience for when the oil runs out, there are other agendas also afoot but seeing as our gas ran out this year and no one noticed, we are running out of oil and especially in the US which is armed, they fear an uprising, look closely at the CCA, take out the "terrorist" bit and look again and see what it is really aimed at...

Brutal controls within the UK aimed at the people of the UK.

Blair allows the ECHR to be flagrantly breached, the HRA '98 was brought in to interface with the ECHR, it has failed utterly and Blair has no intention whatsoever of allowing the EU to dictate terms and policy in law over here.

If you look through the latter articles of the Charter of Human Rights, there are sections pertaining to government protections of information, already our information is being sold to insurance companies from the DVLA database, in both personal and vehicle details, has no one noticed that when you insure your car, all they need now is the reg no?

Because many of the mainline companies has your details up in front of them and are in fact confirming what they know.

The other real enemies are the two credit reference agencies, Equifax is a US company and has been investigated pending complaints in regards to breaches of SafeHarbor, everything that they have on you here, is over there.

Half the EU countries hate us in any case, seeing us as greedy and toadying to the US, Blair has caused so many difficulties in the formation of the EU that he has brought it to its knees on several occasions, he doesn't want us in the EU, he wants us in NAFTA which was offered in 1999 and if we get expelled from the EU then its a moments notice to become the 51st state which has been a US goal since 1943.

We as a country have sold ourselves out, we are caught between two pimps and our government cannot stop itself selling us, the people out time and time again, we do not matter anymore and we will end up as simple ciphers in computers rather than people.

This is the darkest time ever known by the people of Britain, the time to act is now before it is too late... for everyone!

Ancient One
Founder
Unity Injustice

http://www.prisonplanet.com/

The articles show the danger

The ECHR does not provide for absolute rights.I believe the 'authorities' can breach the ECHR if they can show that it is proportional, necessary and legal. The first two can be argued by such things as terrorism , the sudden relevation of the recently impossible illegal immigrants figure ( around 500,000 ) etc etc. The third will be satisfied with the passing of this legislation

Ancient One, the ECHR has nothing to do with the EU - other than that the EU has basically signed up to it. The European Court of Human Rights is completely separate from the EU, and has a good record of finding against governments where rights have been infringed. The UK has had a very large number of adverse findings over the years, and these judgments have resulted in many legal changes - for example, birching in the isle of Man, the ban on homosexuals in the armed forces, interrogation practices in Ulster - have all gone or been substantially amended following adverse judgments.
The convention only cuts in once someone has a complaint because their rights have been infringed. This would be, for example, when someone is subjected to a "civil penalty" for refusing to attend for biometric scanning or for refusing to provide the vast range of information the Bill envisages. That person would then have a right of individual complaint to the ECHR, but only once he has exhausted his domestic remedies - ie appealed all the way to the House of Lords.
It is, of course, possible that the House of Lords judges would themselves adjudge the ID Act, as it would by then be, to be in breach of the Human Rights Act, which embodies the human rights convention. They did this with the notorious "internment without trial" law late last year.
Only if the House of Lords upheld the governmental line would the complaint be heard by the ECHR.

Those that say the ID cards will infringe the European Convention human rights are missing the point. The ECHR is worthless. Our rights are and should be taken as is, as soon as you write them down in limited ways and state get out clauses for them, you are stuffed. If you read the European documents you will see what I mean because that is what they do. You would think that as human beings have hunted since time immemorial, it is natural and part of our basic needs that the ECHR would uphold this and turnover any ban introduced by Blair. I doubt it! The best you can expect is that some compnesation may be given. Just one example of many aspects of the failuers in this system. So in summary, basically you have a few rights on paper, sort of, but if they are infringed well we might get you a bit of compensation but not your basic rights back!

Is this information on the internet somewhere?

Cheers