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Personally I don't think we will se much data collection until the IPS have the NIR or a prototype at least.
That said if they start collecting extra data, and there is quite a bit extra, via the passport aplication route then this will alert the sleeping masses to what is happening and work in our favour.

Going off on a tangent. Wouldn't passports need to be 'Designated' before it could be used for NIRD data collection?

Black Cloud

Yes, and the point is hardly tangential. The point is that section 2(4) can be used to build up the data before designation, which would merely serve to put the finishing touches to an entry.

does anyone know what the situation is regarding biometric passports at the liverpool office.
i dropped mine in water today (whoops)
isis

As there appears to be two ways to apply on-line or with an application form... will it be better to use the paper form so that someone has to type in the details to some computer database (more hassle, delay to the service)?

We are not aiming to disrupt the passport service with this action, so use whichever method is most convenient for you.

Considering the campaign to renew our passports in may, I found it very intriguing when yesterday an application form to renew my passport turned up on my doormat, when I haven't yet requested one.

Strange indeed.

Hello, before finding the No2id site, I thought I could avoid a biometric passport by renewing it early... but I sent it to London on the normal length renewal and it's come back biometric. Is there anything I can do about this, or am I now on the NIR or something similar?
Many thanks for any advice

No, the NIR doesn't exist yet and the only biometric data that might be contained on your passport's chip is an encoding of the photograph. Personal interviews, taking of fingerprints, and all the other data collection for the NIR will be following shortly but your early renewal has helped you to avoid this for a while.

Are you within your rights to send your passport application to a non-near passport office. I thought the pre-addressed envelopes were where you should send it?

If you can choose an office is there an official address list somewhere on the UK passport web site?

Like a laugh?

I just rang UKPS for an appointment to renew early.

After checking my adress and everything, the guy said I would have bring in two forms of identity... such as utility bills!!

I asked him if this meant that their own passports were judged to be less a proof of identity than a gas bill. This question was clearly "off script" for the Dalek style Q&A routine, and IQ too low to appreciate the logical absurdity of this.

Morons rule, OK!

I think I know the (obvious) answer to this one, but when you renew your passport early, do they require you to send the old passport off with the application form?

If they do, how long do they keep it for? It's just that I am travelling abroad three times in May and June so don't really have more than 2 weeks between trips.

Lee

Lee, yes you must send off your old passport when renewing. It usually only takes a few days, but you should allow up to 6 weeks. If you are travelling soon, wait until your return before you renew.

All,

To my mind, the Renewing For Freedom campaign is excellently suited to being pushed by the grassroots of NO2ID to people they know. I therefore have sent a message to friends and acquaintances to do just this. I felt it needed to gain attention quickly, thus: it stated its purpose in the first two paragraphs, went on to inform readers about iris and fingerprint scanning, highlighted the primary philisophical objections, and then introduced the RFF campaign. A host of back-up reasons were provided later to avoid swamping people from the outset.

I sent it to about fifty people and the early positive response has been surprisingly good. Some friends have asked if they can blog the text, others have replied back to agree wholeheartedly. I think I have about four or five people renewing as a direct result of my message to them. So I am quite pleased with it at the mo .

I would encourage readers on these forums who are equally inclined to resist ID cards to do the same - and since your friends know you, they are much more likely to give it their attention.

To save you some time, I have published a tweaked version of my email. This web address was/is intended for a blog, but since I haven't got around to that, I have used the space for something equally useful . Should you wish to send this out as a message, blog post, offline publication or whatever, you are welcome to, though I do recommend you edit it for your particular purposes first. Meanwhile if there are any mistakes or suggestions in respect of the piece, do feel free to post in this thread.

So... what are you waiting for? Can any of you top fifty people?

Best wishes all,

FP

Hello,

I payed for a normal passport renewal (£51) and was amazed by how quick it was processed.

I sent the application to the Newport office on the 3rd of May and received my new passport today.

It's also a non-biometric passport.

I think it took me almost 4 weeks to get my previous passport, back in 1997.

Are we certain the NIR doesn't exist yet?

They started working on it in 2003, so they've had 3 years already. But then again I have little idea of how long it takes to build a database, let alone one this size.

Do we think those people renewing this May will form the 'honoured vanguard of the ID card revolution', and be awarded first entry onto the NIR ?

Catching all the troublemakers at one go, so to speak.

No, John.

We're encouraging people to renew now precisely because they'll avoid giving the Home Office enough data to construct a NIR record. This will not necessarily be the case after the passport application procedures change in October...

In any case - we're not causing trouble, we're just doing as Charles Clarke suggested!

Okay guys, I've got a passport application form.

If I send it in before the end of May will I still contribute to the statistics for this month or will my whole application need to be transacted before the end of the month? In other words... am I too late to be a part of this resistence gesture?

Can you tell me more about the "chip"? Is there any way to be sure of avoiding one?

Also I'm concerned that if I renew my passport now is there any guarantee at all that it will be valid for 10 years? Who's to say the Home Office won't turn round in 3 years time and say I need one that complies with the NIR?

M

Very fast service - just over a week - I guess they're not snowed under?

New passport is biometric unfortunately. Ah well, my old one was going to run out in 3 years anyway. New one is valid for 10 years as expected.

How long before we hear of people reading the chips from 5 meters? Or cracking the encryption? I'm tempted to keep mine wrapped in tinfoil - which might make it annoying for customs.

I'll put up with having the photo encoded on the chip - I assume the passport number is there too and that could always be read with a swipe scanner, I just don't like it being read from a distance. Why not use contact chips? Sigh.

I suppose it's possible to use a computer to do facial recognition and compare it to the electronic one on the passport, but frankly humans are better at doing that. At least for fake passport fraud, the photo on the chip has to match the one in the passport - even if they don't look like the owner.

I had my hair and beard cut much shorter than usual for the photo and will now be growing it for travelling!

Just a quick update,

I got my dad on the case of his passport before this campaign ended and he sent his renewal off, a guy rung him up today and asked if he was aware that there was a fair amount of time to run on his old one. He said yes and he was objecting to ID cards.

The guy on the phone then said, oh yes, that's fine, I've just done the same!!

I know others have had similar experiences but it just made me smile that the workers at the UKIPS or whatever it is called can be part of us

magic!!!!!!

Sent off to Glasgow for renewal.

Got it back with 9 months of the remainder added.

Standard passport with no RFID chip.

No comment about years left on it.

I got an rfid chip passport. What worried me was the fact they delivered it when I wasn't home (nipped out for some stamps, sods law eh) , so my partner accepted delivery on my behalf

The only ID she needed to show of mine was a single telephone bill. It saved me and them the time of another delivery. But this doesn't stike me as being a very secure delivery system.

I'd have perferred it if they'd told me to pick it up from somewhere in glasgow or they came back the next day.

Do you get your ID card on the same day as your interview? Or do you think they will be sending them through the post?

Ricardo,

Interesting you got an RFID passport and I did not. Must depend on who's desk it lands on and if it is before their morning coffe and biscuits, moon pahse etc.

On the posting front they sent the one I got with a secure delivery service, posted on sunday through the letterbox when I was out!


"I'd have perferred it if they'd told me to pick it up from somewhere in glasgow or they came back the next day. "