NO2ID

If labour were to win the next election and we were all forced to register onto this database, what would you do? I am not being pessimistic but at the same time I do want to know what people will genuinely do if this does come to pass

I will not comply.

Have a look here..
http://forum.no2id.net/viewtopic.php?t=3228

The question seems to assume that this scenario will only come to pass if Labour win, which is not a safe assumption at all.

I would refuse personally, but I suspect they have ways round that. When it comes to doing what you are required to do to make the new system work, that is where you can use your power. If they threaten to send you to jail for not co-operating, but there are millions of people who refuse to co-operate, they have lost. However, it is very easy for me to sit here and type that. What is difficult is sticking to that line of thinking when the time comes, and actually being prepared to go to jail.

As someone else pointed out, many people have others to worry about and look after. This could be used against them, in a cruel but politically achievable manner.

It's all very well people saying they will not comply but then what? There will come a point when we will be denied public services making life practically impossible to live, unless you have pots of money but what about those of us with none? I don't want to hear about the people that are leaving the country either they don't concern me. The people I'm interested in are those who are going to see this through to the very end. What will people do when they can no longer resist? After they've been to prison, then what? I think half the people who say they will not comply are secret armchair warriors and will eventually bow down and accept the card.

Which services do you have in mind? The only one I can think that I use a lot is the library, and I could live without that. The biggest impact on me would be if you couldn't use a debit card without the ID card, but that seems unlikely at least to start with

i would not register, unless a situation came about where i would have to register.

for example, at this moment in life, i am single, have no dependants, so i can fend for myself, so there is no real problem, or if there are, then its up to me to make the choice to either accept the problems or not.

from a personal point of view, i have been spending a lot of my time exploring the possibilities of living a more meagre way of life. i am no-where near ready, but i have a few years to get there. - so when it comes down to it, bollocks to them.

i've looked at leaving the british isles, but honestly, i like it here, its my home, i plan to live in a remote area, and if they want me then they can come and get me.

unless the situation changes, if it becomes the case where i have others to support, i am going to refuse having my details put on the NIR.

what have i got to lose?

It's all a long way off, and since Blair's introducing dictatorship in 8 days, who knows what will happen.

But I won't be registering, that's for sure.

If the govenment was to stop you form using The NHS or to stop you from getting your pension/ benefits, they can't, It is our basic human rights.

If they tried that trick on people just because they refuse to have an ID card, then we could or should take them to the european court of human rights.

that isn't true though is it? - the uk has a system, a benefit system in place to help those less fortunate.

america, for example, doe not have an NHS.. does not have a benefit system like the uk..

exactly, so if a 70 year old OAP says the will not have an ID card and then the govenment says as you don't have an ID card you will not get your pension, they can't sorry.

You can't compare us with the USA, they have diffrent laws to europe and I don't think they have a human rights law.

Any way we are not worried what they do in the US we are only worried what the do in the UK

You will still be able to get life saving treatment from the NHS but other than that you will have to have an ID card, everything else, even buying groceries will be difficult if not impossible, believe me, I have studied it.

As for the Abolition of Parliament Bill, that is the day when we can consider the government to be a truly illegal entity.

If a government has the power to override democratic controls it should be regarded as if it already has.

If you don't have the money for gas or electricity and you're on a card meter, you effectively cut off your own power supply. For some reason this is not considered inhumane.

If you don't have an ID card to get benefits, or use NHS services, or chat to a council official to get you bin collection sorted out, then I'm sure the way that the government will spin it is that it's your fault for not getting an ID Card. Not everything comes down to what's written in the policies.

PS.


Agreed, Ice Dragon!

And it is not just access to health service that COULD be used to coerce people into accepting an ID card and being placed on the NIR..

They COULD bar you from certain types of transactions unless you can produce an ID card. For example obtaining credit, alcohol, buying or selling items with a value of say over £100 (you guessed it, to prevent fraud or whatever). And so on.

The point is that once the government CAN coerce people into accepting ID cards without recourse to fines and civil action, allthough I have no doubt this current bunch would use that aswell.

This system does not lack the means of controlling many important aspects of our lives, it is we that lack the imagination to see how it could come to do so.

That is why no Government should ever be trusted with this much power over the people.

Yet again it is always the less well off that get penalized.

This is the govenments way of blackmailing people to have ID cards, well I am not going to let this Evil govenment wall all over me because of that.

At the moment I have no dependents and will also resist it, but what terrifies me is not being sent to jail but the aftermath of after still being left with a crippling debt from the fine. Being banned from jobs because i don'e have the id card, left to basically rot while all these foolish sheeple say to me david it doesnt need to be this way you have your opinions but you can't do anything about it there is nothing to fear etc. Take the id card.

Then I won't do those things!

A whole new economy could start up thanks to the ID cards!

I cannot think how having electricity and gas is a matter of national security, how does having lights on at night or heating on during the winter affect the fight against crime and terrorism?

The point was that if it's not considered wrong to leave families without power (necessity in winter!) then I think it's highly likely that the government might consider not having an ID card a similar choice in terms of personal wellbeing and access to resources. If you don't want an ID card, that's your choice BUT you won't get.....or the financial penalty on your benefits will be.......

It was mainly a reply to an earlier post about access to services for people without economic resources. Why on earth would it be about national security or terrorism? There are many more levels to the debate.

I think many posting on this thread are coming across as remarkably pessimistic.

If the NIR ever comes to pass and I'm still more inclined towards the view that it'll never see the light of day, it will be many years before they've got all the goods and services referred to here accessible only by one card. The logistics of it are enormous.

Plus the fact, that there will be a significant number of people who will not be 'registrable' because the Government doesn't even know they exist.

It was announced only yesterday that it is quite possible many of the prisoners now at large, who should have been at least considered for deportation, may never be caught. These are people on whom they already have a substantial amount of information, yet they have no idea where to look for them. How are they going to organise registration? Start with A and work through to Z?. I say again, if it ever happens, it's going to take years!

Another piece of advice, which I'm sure is sound, because I've had to use it myself for another matter, rather than refusing, prevarication, 'stalling' losing letters, simply not co-operating etc; are much better options. In fact, unless you're prepared to face the consequences, you should go out of your way to never place yourself in the position of 'refusing'.

But for the third time, I really don't believe it's going to come to this. I'm still of the view that the ill conceived NIR project will be scrapped.

I say realistic. The glass is not only half empty, but it has a great big piece of turd floating in the poisonous liquid therein.


Possibly, but also, possibly not.


That won't matter a jot, in terms of getting it up and running I mean.


This is the sort of thing that is useful in persuading people, who don't know the facts and don't believe the government could be doing anything wrong, of their need to register.


I hope so.