re: the 2011 census

Guest · **Posted:** Tue, 03 May 2011 14:49:43 +0000

Guest wrote:

We've got a census woman sat in her car watching our house from further down the road for 3 to 4 hours!! at a time. Sometimes, we can see her scribbling notes; we have also seen her going to an elderly neighbours. This this *normal* behaviour for these people? Or is this how she fills her "duty hours"? This is seriously weird. We feel stalked :evil:

"Oh, look there is that crazy woman sat in her car again". It is like something out of Fatal Attraction, maybe she has the hots for hubby. Or maybe this is the type of folk that are attracted to this "job", crazies :evil:

If someone is loitering outside, you can and should report them to the police for suspicious behaviour. They could be staking out the street for a burglary. You can report this anonymously. It doesn't matter if they're wearing a badge. What a great cover for a crook checking the place out!

Guest · **Posted:** Tue, 03 May 2011 14:52:14 +0000

yorkiebar wrote:

VeryConcerned wrote:

Last time I told the evil bitch to f!"£ o!"£! She started ranting about how an ex-police or ex-solicitor would be round to take a statement and how my gran would be arrested and thrown in jail.

Whatever your reaction, there is no excuse for that. It's called 'intimidation'. It's also nonsense. What a shame no recording.
Stand firm!

You don't need a recording if you have a witness and even without one you should file a complaint.

Guest · **Posted:** Tue, 03 May 2011 14:56:23 +0000

No response in 3 days. I'm guessing you made it up then.
HS

Guest wrote:

Name these forums please. Why no signature, Guests?

Don't you think they know you are reading? I think they even like to leave disheartening messages on forums such as this one.

Hello.

Mr Glen Watson's whole campaign from the start was based on psychological manipulation and fear mongering because they have little power to enforce it.

HS

Guest wrote:

If you take a read round the forums where the brownshirts chit-chat it appears that they have run out of work and are struggling to fill their time, been reduced to filling in "dummy forms" whatever they are.

So it's not just me that does this!
One poster also said the outstanding forms had dwindled so much, he/she was considering doing 'stake-outs' with a packed lunch.
Bring it on.

Guest · **Posted:** Tue, 03 May 2011 14:58:26 +0000

Name these forums please.
HS

Guest wrote:

I've been listening in to census bods posting in a public forum. Most revealing. One jokingly (?) referred to 'staking out' a house with a packed lunch. :shock:

Where I live, strangers and their vehicles stand out like a sore thumb.
Spotted a stranger the other day and thought 'I'm not leaving till you do'. Probably a total innocent!
Just wondering whether I should order my paranoia meds now :lol:

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Guest · **Posted:** Tue, 03 May 2011 15:00:57 +0000

VeryConcerned wrote:

These census nazis have been round hassling me old nan 20. This is an elderly woman and quite frankly I am disgusted. Last time I told the evil bitch to f!"£ o!"£! She started ranting about how an ex-police or ex-solicitor would be round to take a statement and how my gran would be arrested and thrown in jail. I am flabbergasted at this nonsense. These census Nazis are no different to the brownshirts of Nazi Germany. In fact they are the very people who used to snoop and inform on their neighbours, so no change there. They should be shunned by all decent society and tattooed on their forehead with a great big Swastika. How far would these scum stoop? I know I shouldn't say, but my nan used to live in Eastern Germany and the tales she tells are frightening in that they are the way this country is heading. My nan's late husband who was persecuted by the Nazis would be rolling in his grave. This is the march to Fascism, being fed fed by an insidious propaganda form the media, and it is with these census scum that this starts. This is my prime reason for refusing to have anything to do with this snooping census. When we wake up in a Totalitarian state then those who refused to partake will have a clear conscience. And this is the crux, it is a matter of conscience. Can you put your hand on your heart and say: "I believe that this census is benign; it will help to build more hospitals and schools". Or do you believe that there is a more sinister agenda and your children and grandchildren will curse you at a future time for your betrayal and failing to take a stand. If you are filling out and returning this form out of fear then please think again because if you do so your children and grandchildren will have a lot more to fear in the future. Thank you for reading.

Thankyou for sharing this.

Guest · **Posted:** Tue, 03 May 2011 15:05:20 +0000

I'm hearing on the grapevine that some of these collectors have been followed home and their addresses put on some kind of database.

Guest · **Posted:** Tue, 03 May 2011 16:09:27 +0000

Looks like these census bods have lost the plot completely :evil:

, seems as if they fancy themselves as mini-Columbo. We had one peering in our window from across the street with binoculars. :shock:

I wonder if they were ONS issue. :mrgreen:

keepout · **Posted:** Tue, 03 May 2011 16:21:36 +0000

One of our dogs ripped the census bod's skirt off as she was trying to climb over our LOCKED gate

Watching her run up the street with her knickers on show to all and sundry was like a sketch out of Benny Hill. Absolutely hilarious

wish we had caught that on tape... it would have been a youtube classic :lol:

Guest · **Posted:** Tue, 03 May 2011 16:27:25 +0000

Guest wrote:

Name these forums please.
HS

Well here is one thread. The post about the packed lunch is here somewhere.
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/sho ... ght=census

yorkiebar · **Joined:** Mon, 02 May 2011 17:29:30 +0000 **Posts:** 24

Guest wrote:

Name these forums please.
HS

Well here is one thread. The post about the packed lunch is here somewhere.
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/sho ... ght=census

Post 855 oh ye of little faith. But read the whole darn thread. Enjoy! :lol:

Guest · **Posted:** Tue, 03 May 2011 16:47:06 +0000

I think we have seen "Purse String" sat outside our place munching on his "packed lunch" - shifty looking character

Guest · **Posted:** Tue, 03 May 2011 16:57:53 +0000

Guest wrote:

VeryConcerned wrote:

These census nazis have been round hassling me old nan 20. This is an elderly woman and quite frankly I am disgusted. Last time I told the evil bitch to f!"£ o!"£! She started ranting about how an ex-police or ex-solicitor would be round to take a statement and how my gran would be arrested and thrown in jail. I am flabbergasted at this nonsense. These census Nazis are no different to the brownshirts of Nazi Germany. In fact they are the very people who used to snoop and inform on their neighbours, so no change there. They should be shunned by all decent society and tattooed on their forehead with a great big Swastika. How far would these scum stoop? I know I shouldn't say, but my nan used to live in Eastern Germany and the tales she tells are frightening in that they are the way this country is heading. My nan's late husband who was persecuted by the Nazis would be rolling in his grave. This is the march to Fascism, being fed fed by an insidious propaganda form the media, and it is with these census scum that this starts. This is my prime reason for refusing to have anything to do with this snooping census. When we wake up in a Totalitarian state then those who refused to partake will have a clear conscience. And this is the crux, it is a matter of conscience. Can you put your hand on your heart and say: "I believe that this census is benign; it will help to build more hospitals and schools". Or do you believe that there is a more sinister agenda and your children and grandchildren will curse you at a future time for your betrayal and failing to take a stand. If you are filling out and returning this form out of fear then please think again because if you do so your children and grandchildren will have a lot more to fear in the future. Thank you for reading.

Thankyou for sharing this.

You're welcome!

Guest · **Posted:** Tue, 03 May 2011 16:59:17 +0000

oh so that's what the collectors ask the neighbours - head count.

Quote:
If someone's not in, you write an 'N' in the outcome column of your follow up worksheets. You are expected to call back three times in phase one, at different times. In phase two if you can't make contact then you need to fill out 'N' in the outcome column and you need to fill out a dummy form (Ask the neighbours how many people live there to do it)

Guest · **Posted:** Tue, 03 May 2011 17:13:15 +0000

So funny. On a student board they're moaning about being asked to do the extra two days as collectors because their return rates are so low. (awww, shame)

One said his co-ordinator actually started crying and accused him of not working.

Another in inner Brighton said return rate was only about 80% at end April.

These collectors really don't care if you return your form or not. They just want to get their money and run.

yorkiebar · **Joined:** Mon, 02 May 2011 17:29:30 +0000 **Posts:** 24

Oops
Well who'd a thought it!
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home ... -1.1096768

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/business ... _1_3327448

DorisandAlfie · **Posted:** Wed, 04 May 2011 10:56:48 +0000

That's it, for almost two weeks we've been sat in waiting for a visit to collect our form

like a pair of lemons and nowt has come to the door.

How do those daft census folk expect the likes of us to make it as far as yon pillar box at top o hill? We are off out not to enjoy some sunshine while we still can.

This census lot can go take a running jump. Ta ra :lol:

D&A

Guest · **Posted:** Wed, 04 May 2011 21:02:38 +0000

No visit for 7 days. It's almost disappointing. I'm going to miss being harrassed.

watersneptune · **Posted:** Wed, 04 May 2011 23:23:23 +0000

According to BBC news item 3rd May, 10% non-returns so far for England and Wales. That's 2.6 million households or about 6 million people. (The 2001 census had 6% non-returns, which represented about 3.5 million people.)

Not a bad result for doing nothing.

Looking at the ONS website analysis of the last census, the non-compliance procedures appear to be more for show to 'encourage' participation in future censuses. (Didn't work, I’m thinking.) They also admit it is 'onerous' to conduct, especially in low return areas, which means they really don't have the resources to chase everyone.

This is why they go after only those instances where there has been a clear refusal from a named person, ie you must open the door, say "My name is so-and-so and I live here and I refuse to fill in a form." Not being at home and “it’s in the post” are not clear refusals.

So the absolute easiest route, as many have been saying all along, appears to be no contact or utter silence.

However! If you do formally refuse, take heart. You can still very easily avoid a fine or prosecution while still giving Glen Watson the runaround and adding to his ever increasing embarrassment. Even though in 2001 there were over 6,000 clear refusals and they had sufficient evidence for 1,500 prosecutions, they only referred 90 , and of these only 38 were prosecuted. This is because they dropped prosecution charges at any time the person agreed to fill in the damn form - even when that was after the court summons had arrived.

BTW whatever you said to the collector shouldn't count for anything because there needs to be evidence acceptable for court, which means two people together acting as witnesses, hence the non-complaince pairs. But if you did refuse the collector then you might receive a visit, although this is unlikely as there just aren’t enough of them and nobody ever appears to be home in Britain these days anyway - must be all this nice weather we're having.

yorkiebar · **Joined:** Mon, 02 May 2011 17:29:30 +0000 **Posts:** 24

Can anyone explain this?
Ad posted March.
Census jobs in Maidenhead and it states length of contract for non compliance bods as till 9 November :shock:

http://www.growourown.co.uk/default.asp?contentID=667

Guest · **Posted:** Wed, 04 May 2011 23:44:44 +0000

yorkiebar wrote:

Can anyone explain this?
Posted March.
Census jobs in Maidstone and it states length of contract for non compliance bods as till 9 November :shock:

http://www.growourown.co.uk/default.asp?contentID=667

I noticed today the date was 11 November on ONS site.

Guest · **Posted:** Wed, 04 May 2011 23:45:10 +0000

yorkiebar wrote:

Can anyone explain this?
Posted March.
Census jobs in Maidstone and it states length of contract for non compliance bods as till 9 November :shock:

http://www.growourown.co.uk/default.asp?contentID=667

Good spot, yorkiebar

it would be easy to put that down to a miss-print but it is duplicated in both columns. Looks like we may be getting more use than first expected out of that reenforced steel door that hubby is busy erecting.

yorkiebar · **Joined:** Mon, 02 May 2011 17:29:30 +0000 **Posts:** 24

Guest wrote:

yorkiebar wrote:

Can anyone explain this?
Posted March.
Census jobs in Maidstone and it states length of contract for non compliance bods as till 9 November :shock:

http://www.growourown.co.uk/default.asp?contentID=667

Good spot, yorkiebar

it would be easy to put that down to a miss-print but it is duplicated in both columns. Looks like we may be getting more use than first expected out of that reenforced steel door that hubby is busy erecting.

Oops I made a typo - Maidenhead!

yorkiebar · **Joined:** Mon, 02 May 2011 17:29:30 +0000 **Posts:** 24

Guest wrote:

yorkiebar wrote:

Can anyone explain this?
Posted March.
Census jobs in Maidstone and it states length of contract for non compliance bods as till 9 November :shock:

http://www.growourown.co.uk/default.asp?contentID=667

I noticed today the date was 11 November on ONS site.

Sorry it's Maidenhead.
I do hope they are not reviewing the contracts!

yorkiebar · **Joined:** Mon, 02 May 2011 17:29:30 +0000 **Posts:** 24

Guest wrote:

I noticed today the date was 11 November on ONS site.

Have you got a link ta?

Guest · **Posted:** Wed, 04 May 2011 23:59:45 +0000

yorkiebar wrote:

Guest wrote:

I noticed today the date was 11 November on ONS site.

Have you got a link ta?

Yes, need a link, can't find the "non-compliance" goon jobs anywhere on the ONS site

NO2ID

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