NO2ID

ACPO (Association of Chief Police Officers) would seem to disagree with you.

In "Practice advice on the management and use of Automatic Number Plate Recognition", published in 2009 and available here:

http://www.acpo.police.uk/asp/policies/ ... enesis.pdf

... it says (p41):


While one ANPR camera can only tell you the location of a number plate at a particular time, a network of them attached to a database storing observation histories certainly does allow one to "research the movements" of a vehicle. I think many people would say that "researching the movements" of a number plate amounts to "tracking".

Edits: Spelling.

ACPO are a limited company and I really don't care who misuses the word. Some bombers are on the loose and it ain't a success story if the surveillance broke down because ANPR doesn't cover the side streets and back alleys that they took is it. Tracking as in 'spying' which is what this implication and paranoia is all about, is continuous and no other. As in a railway track or a mountain track or the less obvious jungle track.

ANPR doesn't even see people and it doesn't track vehicles in the true and only sense.

So this is an inconvenient truth I know but live with it.

So we still get back to why blame systems instead of policy?

Take 'speeding' where ANPR is used. I am the only person that I know of who goes out to voluntarily survey speed limit orders as we all should. Instead of armchair huffing and puffing out hot air. I actually do something and if we all did there would be results. Never mind the ANPR, is the limit correct? No limit no ANPR. It ain't rocket science.

So far all I have heard is obsessive paranoia about ANPR yet to mention all the lives it saves and crime it clears up is an inconsequential response.
So far I have not suffered because of ANPR and as yet, I know no one personally who has. Now that's the truth of it.

How is ANPR actually affecting the majority? Do the majority want serial killers, rapists, bombers, burglars, thieves caught using modern technology or not?

No2ID cannot ignore such questions.

Please provide your evidence of "all the lives it saves and crime it clears up" for the large fixed network of ANPR cameras. You should demonstrate why it requires journey data to be stored for 5 years. There must be a significant number of serious crimes to warrant the intrusion into privacy.

Now I'm aware that the mobile ANPR units do arrest many people for various mostly minor offences. They are entirely different. They have some police to actually do the arresting and, unlike the fixed cameras, you can't learn their locations and avoid them.

Well theft is not minor nor is driving un-insured. What are these 'minor' offences?

When a serial killer is pinpointed earlier, as they are by elimination, lives are saved. So too terrorists. When a serial rapist is curtailed earlier less get raped. Doh! It aint rocket science. How many? Silly question. When something is prevented it hasn't happened has it so it cannot be counted. Don't tell me NO2ID is working on that type of logic?

But you miss the point. I know the odd minority will never accept simple truths but a forum is to inform those who are open to new views and facts.

So, for them, I point out that ANPR does not 'track/spy on people or keep records of people for 5 years either.

The preoccupation with equipment is at the expense of fighting the policies and schemes where it is 'misused'. I fight against 'speeding' for example. I am not focusing on the various gadgets used by the authorities for 'speeders' but the false and dishonest policy. What strange logic to attack kit? Still no-one explains why not attack the lens, glass, the microchip from the same logic?

The only person doing that here is you. Everyone else understands that we are talking about the whole system with a particular emphasis on the keeping and arbitrary misuse of records.

The ANPR system keeps records for several years, and the ANPR system is being misused to arbitrarily 'tag' vehicle registrations.

This has been explained several times.

Perhaps she/he is enjoying winding you up?

You may well be right.
Not the same Guest as the earlier comments - but the "system" remarks I made were to establish the troll-ness quotient at work here.

The above contradicts itself.

read the Dutch story here

This should help the confusion about what is needed to 'spy' or 'track'
Notice what bit of kit is not being used to do this

Now this is intrusion. Being forced to have fitted at one's own expense a spying gadget that does track? However even this writer acknowledges that it sees no one. But this is why we must not get bogged down and wrongly focussed on the wrong kit.

Don't allow us to be shot down by making any false statements about ANPR or anything else.

Read 'by elimination'. Please do read the information before dismissing it otherwise your comment is invalid.