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PostPosted: Mon, 02 May 2011 00:57:22 +0000 
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Ok, not logged on for a while but was glad to see no2id's write up on the national census as this was the reason I Logged on after all ;)

Only had a brief look at some of the posts, so some of the issues relating to this may have already been addressed. Nevertheless, going to throw a few things out here relating to my recent experience with the census and some thoughts about the personal data it's asking for and how it is managed.

It goes without saying that because of the past fiasco's concerning government databases that I was 'reluctant' (to say the least) to furnish the government with any more 'required information'.

Unfortunately, I was on holiday when the reminder was 'delivered' to my address by one of those people 'chasing up' those who had forgotten to complete their census. He (or she) was very thorough as they went to the trouble of talking to my neighbor about it when they failed to get a response. This door knocking technique was probably one honed by their experience from their main job, convincing people on their doorstep that they can save loads of money by switching their gas or electricity provider.

Realizing my error, and not wanting to pay a £1000 fine, I filled out the details on line the day before the deadline. Unfortunately, and as reported in the press, their website experienced a lot of problems on this day and my online attempt to comply was thwarted. Shame.

The governments justification for having such information is pretty thin, is this request not a breach of my rights (human rights, privacy laws, European bull***t laws)?

Where exactly will this data be stored?

Are their any 'private contractors' or 'third parties' involved in the process?

Is the data cross referenced with any other databases (council tax, tax, CSA etc)?

If the data is allowed to be 'shared' with other EU countries then all of my above queries would have to be asked again, to each country, on an individual basis, especially the private contractor or third party one..

Generally, access to government obtained data in this country has been relatively hard to access (yes I know about GP's data, DVLA and other exceptions) but allowing this data to be shared with our EU counterparts increases the risks (and the variables) x 100.

For example, debt collection/tracing agencies are almost (yes I said almost) completely reliant on electoral registration data. If census data materialized on the black market in Portugal (they would take a back hander, they're skint lol) then it would invariably find it's way to these agencies (albeit unofficially).

Sarcasm and hypothesis aside, the census is an out and out infringement on our privacy and our personal security, imagine what the ID fraudster would do with such information? He would stop using Facebook for his info for one..

Ok, I'm probably being paranoid and my details will be stored safe and securely in cyber space for the next 100 years. Talking of which, I'd better check my bank account details as Sony have had a small problem - 27 million account holders information has been compromised.

Thank goodness for mailbox addresses and pay as you go MasterCard :wink:

Miser.


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 Post subject: Re: Census data
PostPosted: Tue, 03 May 2011 16:53:47 +0000 
I haven't got answers to all your questions OP, but here is a link which refers to Eurostat and the sharing of 'statistics'.
http://help.census.gov.uk/ni/help/help- ... 0005A.html
Can't find the links just now but I'm pretty sure the right to confidentiality is negated by a load of caveats. I'll try to find it.
You know - one thing that bugs me about this census is how can they justify asking for your employer details? The other thing is the draconian way they are going about things.
It's a 'no thanks' from moi. :lol:


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PostPosted: Tue, 03 May 2011 16:57:28 +0000 
Also please scroll down to 'incensed about the census'
http://spreadingtheword-now.blogspot.co ... ensus.html


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PostPosted: Mon, 09 May 2011 18:06:23 +0000 
At present the Electoral Register is available on CD... and this is where this census data is going to end up. Also, "Europe" is quite a big area :D The data on here is just to valuable and "juicy". I really do expect it will end up being sold on the black market because far too many "shady" characters will be able to state a legitimate reason for wanting it. There is also a possibility that it will become widely available for "download" on the internet. Maybe some of the people who have filled this in do not realise how small and compact databases are and how easily that they can be "queried". Or maybe we are heading to an inevitable Problem:Reaction:Solution, but some of us really, really do have GENUINE concerns about the SAFETY and SECURITY of the information that the ONS now appears to be threatening us into submitting to them.


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PostPosted: Mon, 09 May 2011 18:13:24 +0000 
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I haven't got answers to all your questions OP, but here is a link which refers to Eurostat and the sharing of 'statistics'.
http://help.census.gov.uk/ni/help/help- ... 0005A.html
Can't find the links just now but I'm pretty sure the right to confidentiality is negated by a load of caveats. I'll try to find it.
You know - one thing that bugs me about this census is how can they justify asking for your employer details? The other thing is the draconian way they are going about things.
It's a 'no thanks' from moi. :lol:


Why do they need our exact employer details and address - what is wrong with a job title (like a SOC (standard occupational code) and postcode. And what has our address LAST year got to do with FUTURE planning? And how can we gauge our health without a full medical examination? I think the mistake that we make is that we honestly believe, or at least the propaganda tells us) that the information we give will be used truly for OUR benefit in a benevolent fashion i.e build us lots of new super-duper schools and hospitals, but history tells us that this information could be ised for the most sinister and diabolical of purposes.


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PostPosted: Mon, 09 May 2011 22:05:46 +0000 
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Germany started a 2011 census today - the first in 25 years. They are only doing a proportion of the population as they are gathering info from other means. There are still concerns being expressed though.
Why are they doing this now?
Because they have been required to by the European Union (I have all the links for this).
Maybe they should put little tags in our ears like cattle. It's beginning to feel like it...


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PostPosted: Mon, 09 May 2011 22:17:26 +0000 
yorkiebar wrote:
Germany started a 2011 census today - the first in 25 years. They are only doing a proportion of the population as they are gathering info from other means. There are still concerns being expressed though.
Why are they doing this now?
Because they have been required to by the European Union (I have all the links for this).
Maybe they should put little tags in our ears like cattle. It's beginning to feel like it...


Yes, it is the "good" :D farmer counting his cattle deciding which ones he is going to fatten up and which ones he is going to take to market. :evil:


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PostPosted: Thu, 12 May 2011 23:18:53 +0000 
Here is another video of the "non-compliance" goons in actions. Grrr, don't you just HATE these lowlifes :evil:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgPw2vMw27A


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PostPosted: Thu, 12 May 2011 23:33:04 +0000 
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Here is another video of the "non-compliance" goons in actions. Grrr, don't you just HATE these lowlifes :evil:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgPw2vMw27A

This might well be me..
But I'm reading the Act which the householder quotes as saying you don't have to answer questions concerning religion. Whereas he is interpreting it as not having to do the census on religious grounds.
Is it me?
I think he just handed himself over on a plate.


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PostPosted: Thu, 12 May 2011 23:40:51 +0000 
yorkiebar wrote:
Guest wrote:
Here is another video of the "non-compliance" goons in actions. Grrr, don't you just HATE these lowlifes :evil:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgPw2vMw27A

This might well be me..
But I'm reading the Act which the householder quotes as saying you don't have to answer questions concerning religion. Whereas he is interpreting it as not having to do the census on religious grounds.
Is it me?
I think he just handed himself over on a plate.


"for refusing to state any particulars in respect of a religion" i.e it is not compulsory to answer the question on religion... doh! :idea: I think that this guys comprehension of the English language he no good. These folk are definitely going to get prosecuted, they are doing themselves up like a kipper. I wonder how they propose to get round us "deafies" - summons us to an "interview under caution". You can't only go so far with this kind of stuff before stumbling into Naziville :evil: :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: Thu, 12 May 2011 23:47:41 +0000 
More like some sort of ex-solicitor the guy on this video, the first video had ex-coppers written all over them. I wonder what Sharon's other job is? The people that do this kind of thing - and ex-solicitors and coopers don't have the skint student excuse - are complete and utter scum. Utter dog dirt, hope the karma catches up with them cos they KNOW that they are doing bad. :evil:


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PostPosted: Thu, 12 May 2011 23:57:03 +0000 
This video throws up an interesting legal point. From this video I get the impression that The Occupiers on this video are a couple so why is it that HE is not breaking any laws. Wouldn't they be "joint and severally" liable for completing this form. Or is is the "man of the household" that take the rap. What that not breach Harriet Harperson's Equality Law, I am really confused on this point :?:


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PostPosted: Fri, 13 May 2011 06:15:44 +0000 
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