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 Post subject: National Insurance Numbers Question
PostPosted: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:04:32 +0000 
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Who has the right to ask for your NI number? And what can they use it for?

Do different non government agencies have access to the NI database?
and what can they use it for if they do?

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PostPosted: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 16:48:04 +0000 
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As far as I'm concerned, HMRC (for tax purposes) and my current employer (for the same tax purposes) can ask for my NI number and get it. Everybody else can go hang.

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 Post subject: Who's wants it??? and why?
PostPosted: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 20:22:47 +0000 
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The DWP will request it if you claim benefits, pension unemployment DLA/AS etc.

They also ask for it if you apply for jobs from their JobcentrePlus offices and websites. However you are not legally entitled to give it to them in order to apply for jobs. They have to ask you under the data protection act if they can place your details age address etc on their database. You can refuse and still be entitled to apply for jobs!!

I have in the past had phone calls terminated, because I refused to give details. One joker told me they needed this information so they could test their performances and if people like me didn't give this information the service could be withdrawn (how sad am I about that?).

Anyone else go tell them to take a run and jump.


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The National Insurance Number "NINO" is part of the 24 year tax record dataset which is now shared by HMRC (the recently combined Inland Revenue and Customs & Excise monolith) with the Department for Woek and Pensions, through a statutory data sharing gateway called misleadingly, the DWP Longitudinal Study, which sounds like a one off statistical exercise, but which is a permanent data sharing scheme between these two Central Government Departments.

http://www.dwp.gov.uk/asd/longitudinal_study/ic_longitudinal_study.asp

This Data Sharing happens without your explicit prior consent, because, the Data Protection Act and the Human Rights Act are circumvented by a later bit of Primary Legislation, the Employment Act 2002, so it is all "in accordance with law".

The same will be true and more so, with the powers under the Identity Cards Act 2006

There is supposed to be an Ethics Committee which approves the statistical research projects using either supposedly anonymised data or the full name, address, and other tax records data, in combination with the DWP's own social services and benefits data.

The very first such project which was approved, was for the purpose of monitoring how well the DWP was complying with policies against racial discrimination etc.

They did this by shoving the 24 year full database into a a Geographical Information System.

So, now, if bureaucrats wish to, or are ordered to produce lists of addresses, maps, and travel directions to the vast majority of the homes of any particular ethnic or religious group, for the police, the military or for some other para-militaries or death squads, they can do so at the press of a button.

We have already built the database infrastructure for automated genocide.

Will we succeed in preventing it from being used for such a purpose in the future ?

Apparently the Longitudinal Study is seen by the apparatchiki as a model for other inter-departmental data sharing schemes.

Your NINO, name and home address and other data, will also handed over, without your prior informed consent, to the BBC and to any of its authorised subcontractors, supposedly in order to make sure that no disabled pensioner forgoes "help" with asking for, or installing a Digital TV box, once the Analogue to Digital TV switchover happens in the next few years.

See "Digital Switchover (Disclosure of Information) Bill = Social Security database rape ?"

http://spyblog.org.uk/2006/12/digital_switchover_disclosure_of_information_bill_social_security_database_rape.html


Spy Blog FOIA requests on the DWP Longitudinal Study:

http://spyblog.org.uk/foia/dwpir_longitudinal_study_ethics_committee_etc/

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