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 Post subject: Boycott complicit retailers?
PostPosted: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:43:23 +0000 
Hi there,

I was reading on the BBC Prolefeed that various retailers will be vying for the contract to deal with ID card applications.

Presumably they won't want to be associated with such a nasty piece of legislation, and such an upopular measure.

Are there any plans to:

1 - Let retailers know just how unpopular the ID cards scheme is, and therefore how 'Brand Damaging' it may be to become associated with Government Surveillance

or

2 - Organise a name'n'shame and boycott of retailers that take part (and are therefore complicit in forwarding these plans)?


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PostPosted: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:47:13 +0000 
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Good idea - any link, names of retailers etc?[/quote]


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PostPosted: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:26:19 +0000 
Dunno yet who's involved: no names were given in the article I read...

Still, we can keep our eyes and ears open...


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PostPosted: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:38:45 +0000 
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Here you go, for starters:

http://www.corporatewatch.org/?lid=2302

BT are going to be popular at the moment, having just laid off thousands of people.

Siemens seems an interesting target too.

And we'll be visiting our friends at Thales on Monday, so that'll be interesting one to keep an eye on... 8)

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PostPosted: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 13:09:52 +0000 
I just had a thought relating to the British Jobs For British Workers strikes. Outsourcing the ID card contract to a French company might be worth pointing out to some people who work for newspapers. Is there an IT workers union? Would be interesting to hear their views on this.


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PostPosted: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:03:40 +0000 
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Do you know how many products you own with a Siemens/Infineon chip in them, or how to avoid buying more, or how big your purchases (and those of everyone else who is an active supporter of NO2ID) are in proportion to random market fluctuations in the 100Bn+ turnover of the group?

To quote what I wrote on another thread long ago:

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I can't see NO2ID ever sponsoring a boycott (though I don't claim perfect vision). That's partly because boycotts tend to be quite partisan and discriminatory, but also because they just don't work: keen boycotters are generally people who aren't heavy users of the products/services/etc concerned, so for all the self-righteous joy they give to some, organised consumer boycotts are very poor value for effort.

Publicising poor privacy practice and abject sucking up to authoritarian government by large corporations in order to bring indirect market pressure on them, on the other hand, I can see us doing quite a lot. If you honestly - no McLibels - show people there is good reason to regard a firm with suspicion, then they'll make their choices under that condition. That choice isn't a boycott or political statement, as far as the consumer is concerned (and most consumers wouldn't think of themselves as that sort of person), but it is far more fearsome to the firms involved because its reach is much greater.

The difference is this. "Boycot X!" says: X is wicked and you must p(o)ut yourself out to punish X. Exposé of X, market pressure by PR, says X: is doing something that is potentially harmful to its customers, are you completely sure you want to be a customer?

It ought to be obvious why one works better than the other.


PR to emphasise political risk to the business is also likely to be effective, and with the opposition parties committed to scrapping the scheme, it can be used to encourage the contracting companies to avoid massive commitments. If the scheme is likely to be cancelled, then the firms involved will be building their tenders in such a way that cancellation is less painful. Meanwhile the IPS will be trying to lock them in, along with everyone else.

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 Post subject: message to the chemists
PostPosted: Wed, 06 May 2009 19:15:48 +0000 
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I have just posted the following to the MD of Boots and LLoyds pharmacy

Dear Sirs,
at present I have a positive attitude to your company, and use your shops a lot.
I am totally opposed to the ID card database scheme for all the obvious reasons, discussion if you wish, and will be withdrawing my custom if you even consider assisting in the creation of the Stasi state.

Please pass this on to the MD

Yours faithfully,
J H


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 Post subject: reply from Boots
PostPosted: Mon, 18 May 2009 14:35:09 +0000 
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Dear Mr Hudson

Alex Gourlay, our Chief Executive, has asked me to acknowledge the receipt of your e-mail, and to respond on his behalf.

Thank you for your comments regarding the recent media reports regarding the propsoed ID Card Scheme.

I can confirm that Boots UK was approached by the Home Office to attend an initial session with other retailers and community bodies, to listen to some ideas about how the scheme might work However, the meeting was solely to listen to proposals and no plans have been presented or agreed.

Once again, I'd like to reassure you that your comments have been noted.

Kind regards,
Gavin Smith
Senior Customer Manager
Boots Customer Care


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PostPosted: Tue, 19 May 2009 22:17:53 +0000 
Great work there! I'll put my letters in the post tomorrow. If they get enough, then I think they'll think more than twice about supporting the government on this ever more faltering scheme.


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