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 Post subject: Hansard: Data sharing - Child Index & NIR
PostPosted: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:46:15 +0000 
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http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmhansrd/cm060904/text/60904w2270.htm#column_1777W

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Mrs. Spelman: To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department what plans the Government have (a) to link and (b) to enable data-sharing between the Children’s Information Sharing Index and the National Identity Register. [86847]

4 Sep 2006 : Column 1778W

Joan Ryan: The National Identity Register will not be linked to the Children’s Information Sharing Index, nor are there plans for data-sharing between them.


The Children Index does not just have data on Children, but also at least Name and Address data on their Parents or Guardians as well.

The NIR is currently planned to kick in as early as the age of 15 years and 9 months, but the Childrens Index covers young people up to the age of 18 and, in the some case up to the age of 25 for those who are classified as mentally subnormal.

Are we seriously meant to believe that there will never be any data sharing between the two systems ?

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The children's index and all data on it will never be deleted.
It is safe to say that although they may not join the 2 they will certainly link to the Child's index in someway. They will have to, because one of the ways of checking identity is to know who the parents, what school etc. etc.
It all pure spin and I for one am no longer prepared to fall for it or be taken in by it.

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The plot thickens...

I remember when I was interviewed for this piece:

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/politic ... =589352006

back in April that it wasn't just CIP (i.e. Treasury) who were talking about childe versions of the NIR. I'm pretty sure someone from DfES was quoted to me as saying they would at least be 'aligning' the data in the Children's Index - with the clear implication that at least some of the details would pass over at some point.

The question was, I have to say, poorly drafted. Ryan's answer could be strictly correct but, e.g. still allow for (elements of) records to be transferred in a one-off transaction when a subject reaches 16. 'Link' and 'data-sharing' are sufficiently vague for HO to later claim, "We've created no direct connection between CI & NIR", or "We're not sharing, we're checking".

It makes absolutely no sense for ('joined up') government to create an exhaustive index of child data from 0-16/18 but to rule out even checking individuals against this authoritative source when checking their 'biographical footprint' before issuing an ID card.

Ms Ryan's statement was for public consumption, to try to calm down further speculation about the Children's Index & NIR. Nothing more. It is hardly definitive, it is at least partly contradicted by information from other sources and - to my mind at least - it is utterly unbelievable.


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