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 Post subject: They will try again...Third time lucky?
PostPosted: Sat, 29 May 2010 08:29:52 +0000 
While we celebrate the abolition of ID cards for UK citzens, let us not forget that 'Biometric Residence Visas' will remain for non-EU citizens in the UK. I fear that this will be the seed that a reintroduction of an ID scheme may be grown from, either by a future Labour government, or as part of an EU initiative, and let us not forget that the Lisbon treaty allows the EU to do more or less what it wants...

So we must remain vigilant, for though we may have won this battle, the fight to defend our liberties is an endless and ongoing.


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 Post subject: Re: They will try again...Third time lucky?
PostPosted: Sun, 30 May 2010 20:54:21 +0000 
I agree that we still mustn't be be complacent. Here is a quote from Open Democracy:
But with all that said, we – Big Brother Watch, Privacy International, No2ID, the readers of this site, all people who care about freedom and liberty – must ensure that there is no false sense of euphoria about today’s news, no “oh, that’s the end of that” relief. We must ensure that bureaucrats don’t continue the construction of a database state bit by bit; ID cards were just the tip of the iceberg, the most visible part of a larger surveillance and monitoring programme, much of which is still with us.

Finally, the continued requirement for foreigners means that we are not yet free from identity cards. I believe in immigration controls and policing our borders. But requiring identity cards for foreign nationals is an absurdity. If here legally, then foreigners have passports, which serve perfectly well to identify them. If here illegally – well, how exactly are you going to force them to carry an identity card? They’re hardly volunteering themselves for contact with the state per se.

The existence of the card for some people means that the apparatus is always there as a precedent, making it easier to roll them out again for the rest of us. We have a great opportunity now to stamp out this authoritarian, illiberal policy altogether – We must not let it go to waste.


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 Post subject: Re: They will try again...Third time lucky?
PostPosted: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 12:22:01 +0000 
Labour are still as dangerous as ever. Todays ID in the News indicates that they will probably play on ordinary voters' belief that the only losers from the ID scheme are criminals and illegal immigrants, indicating that the coalition is doing criminals and illegals a favour by scrapping ID.
In the next phase of our campaign, which I feel must go on, we must win the argument that ordinary voters with "nothing to hide" will be the losers, big time, if the ID scheme (Heaven forbid) ever is resurrected.


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 Post subject: Re: They will try again...Third time lucky?
PostPosted: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 08:37:12 +0000 
The focus of any campaign must be against the continuation of the Boimetric Residence Visa. Any future retoration campaign will focus on how 'effiecnet' it has been, as well as it being a 'proven' system for any ID reintroduction.


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