NO2ID

The people who don't want ID cards are the ones who are up to no good in the first place.

My opinion, now feel free to launch into a tirade of reasons

Why is the Government being secretive about the NIR and their plans for it then?

Why don't you want to help stop fraud, terrorism etc etc yakker yakker???

Oh and why are you all such doom-mongers and conspiracy theorists?

'ID cards' will not stop terrorism (Madrid proved that), it will not stop most crime and it won't even do anything to stop the vast amount of fraud - benefit or otherwise. It will only serve to inconvenience innocent British citizens, diminish the few civil liberties we have left and will waste billions of pounds of taxpayers' hard-earned cash.

Why are you so gullible?

Not that old chestnut!!!!

TROLL ALERT, TROLL ALERT, TROLL ALERT

Black Cloud

ID Cards are for criminals therefore I don't need one

Thank you for that.

Is that all you got to say about the issue? I'm presenting the other side of the coin here, you all go on like everyone doesn't want ID cards. You better wake up and smell the coffee, cos you are in the minority.

One of the latest threats to honest working brits is Identity theft, I believe ID cards will stop this or at least reduce it. If every financial institution requires the ID card before they give credit etc, almost puts paid to that. Should put paid to dole scroungers as well, save us a fortune!!!

Like i said, thats my view, I may be wrong, I may be right, but its my view!!!

43% minority and growing!



Sadly, this kind of fraud accounts for ~0% of the £1.3 billion figure. You see, financial institutions already demand rigourous proof of identity - I presume you haven't tried to open a bank account in the last 10 years.



Identity related benefit fraud is ~£35 million, insignificant compare to the £12-18 billion the scheme is supposed to cost.

I presume that you don't think ID Cards will somehow magically get people off their arses and into jobs?



And are you open to changing it?

Maybe, but a poll is a poll is a poll!! in another mori poll 72% were for them, that puts you in a 28% minority.

Yes i have opened a bank account in the last 10 years thank you. But obviously it can't be that rigorous if there is still £1.3 billion worth of fraud!!!

Maybe it is insignificant but you have to look at the big picture here, how much will it save over the next 10, 20 years, how much will it save the NHS from health tourists and all the other things that can be stopped. And no i don't think it will magically get people off their backsides, but it may help stop people getting benefit in god knows how many names, while living like a king, whilst i work god knows what hours for a less than average wage!!!

Not at this moment i am not, all the arguments that your side has put forward simply do not sway me.

Sorry, but that was an ICM poll done over a year ago. The only poll done recently shows 43% against and simply shows the more people know about ID Cards the more they dislike them:

http://pollingreport.co.uk/blog/index.php?p=406



As I just told you none of that £1.3 billion is bank fraud preventable by ID Cards. It is mostly things like people using your credit card number over the internet or telephone. Again ID Cards make no difference.



Health tourism is so insignificant the government don't even bother to estimate it.
I already pointed out that identity related benefit fraud is a mere £35 million.
The cost of running the scheme will be at least £635 million and probably over a billion a year.

Rather than saving us in the long term, it will be another £600+ million stone around our necks. And I'm afraid that you as the taxpayer will be expected to foot most of the bill.



That's alright. I've talked to hundreds of people who used to be for ID Cards. Not one of them has put forward even a marginally compelling argument yet and most of them now oppose ID Cards.
Will you be the first exception? We wait and see.

If you want your eyes opened to a new definition of rigour, read the Cabinet Office report from which the legendary £1.3bn figure derives. I would regard it as a shoddy piece of research work from an undergraduate, yet it is purportedly the foundation of significant public policy.

I do. ID cards won't. Why don't we spend the cash on something that'd work?

Next question.

Stangely you seem to have omitted to include even the most basic of ID in this post - do you have something to hide?

Strangly, neither have you

Please Guest's, add somekind of name to your post, as it becomes really quite difficult to follow without. Thankyou

sorry Bill - there appears to be some kind of cock-up (or user error!) with my cookies or similar - even though I'm logged in, adding posts to existing threads always sees me as a guest although I can post new threads using my id - fed_up_labour_supporter - the two posts above yours are mine.

I will sort this out at some point - just haven't got around to it yet.

Dear Guest
If I have offended you then please accept my apologies.
That said, I fear you are going to be bitterly dissapointed should the ID Cards Bill reach the Statute Books. There you are having just payed out your 100 quid (or300 quid) for your card and identities are still being stolen, ilegal imigrants are still entering the country and working, dole scroungers are still scounging and there is still an undiminished terror threat. But what the hell, you've got the ID Card you wanted.
Oh, nearly forgot, organised crime sydicates are raking in a fortune from fake ID Cards. A new crime is always good for bussiness

Black Cloud

I'm not doing anything wrong so no one needs to know.

This is just met with sheer ignorants and shows a lack of education within this individual to even reflect and balance the outcome of such a database....
We all are innocent now, but wait till you start being finger printed and have to provide your eye scans each time you enter a building or purchase anything, you will soon begin to realise these measures are doing nothing to safe guard you.....and as for the criminals, you don't really believe this is going to catch more do you! dream on..........

or maybe you are a member of parliment just causing a stir for us all!

So what if £1.3 billion of ID and benefit fraud goes on, when ID cards will cost us, at the very least, £5 billion?

And so what if you're in the majority -- you seem to be confusing democracy with mob rule. A majority of people were in favour of Prohibition and the Poll Tax, as I recall. If laws are wrong it's not just right, but essential, to resist them. And resist them we shall.

Are you happy with the thought of being fingerprinted like a criminal? Are you happy with having to write a letter to the police every time you move house -- at the moment only registered sex offenders have to to that, you know -- with a £1000 fine if you forget? Better pray your letter isn't one of the millions that gets lost in the post. On the other hand, if you're naive enough not to be worried by ID cards, that possibility probably hasn't crossed your mind.

hi Guest!

I'd like to know, are you open to alternatives to ID cards & database that could solve ID theft and protect civil liberties at the same time?