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What does this mean for the ID card campaign. Now the home office has
backtracked on a 'key' reform, does this mean that they will also backtrack
on ID Cards ?

lets hope.

Well, they've managed to save some face on this one because the man in charge of it doing the Labour Shouty Thing in Parliament is now the ex man in charge.

The only hope of getting rid of ID cards (which have much more political capital invested in them - think of the running battle between Commons and Lords and several backbench rebellions) is to get rid of the man in charge doing the Labour Shouty thing about them.

That is, Mr Blair will have to go, and take his ID cards with them.

Then a new face can come in and claim it's all gone horribly wrong, and thankfuly they've been dumped along with the bloke whose idea it was. Not that they'll say that, but more that "technical hitches" etc.

I doubt very much that ID cards as an idea will be given up on, as they are far too attractive to those with authoritarian urges, but they just might go the way of "Britain at the heart of Europe and joining the euro".

Have you considered that Labour has at last realised that its authoritarian streak is not popular and have decided to get rid of the more authoritarian policies.

Nice dream! New Labour got in (in '97) by pretending to have ditched socialism. They got the confidence of industry by the starving of spending departments. When they figured it was safe, they started backtracking on prudence. Before long, they were spraying money at anything that moved - much of this money ran off into the gullies to soak away wasted and would not have even been necessary if they hadn't spend their first years in office letting everything rot in the first place. Now, they have got an unhappy mixture of high-spending socialist policies alongside PFI that has massively increased utility costs. The PFI is a sop to big business, alongside massive immigration. This has many purposes - making wage costs ever lower, driving a lot of Conservative voters to live in Spain, France, Australia and New Zealand and causing ever upward pressure on house prices. Instead of being efficient in keeping crime low they have gone on to be highly and sinisterly authoritarian and have the mother of all police states waiting in the wings to roll out after the next terrorist incident.

With their number of years in office now and the fact that for much of this they have had little effective opposition they have gone a bit mad. Blair is teetering on the brink as he knows that if Prescott is forced out, he will probably go with him. The Scotland Yard investigation into the Cabinet Office is also serious and likely to get worse. Party funding is now very difficult and attempts to persuade tax payers they should foot the bill have been shelved due to the derisive laughter they evoked.

If you read the Tom Bower biog of Brown you will discover why many in the party are not thrilled with the prospect of him taking over. Its largely about personalities and his not being one the public will buy.

New Labour are now in a serious mess and it is likely to get worse. They may be ditching authoritarian policies, but not because they are perceived as unpopular but rather because all their policies are authoritarian, and they are having to ditch some because they no longer have the internal cohesion to manage them all at once. They kicked off too many initiatives at one time - this was obvious just after the last election. These policies may coincidentally be ones that the public don't like - but that is not the reason they are ditching them, as they don't give a flying fig what we think.

If, by some fluke, they recover from this position - and it is not out of the question - they will round on the middle classes like never before. We should be doing everything we can to smash this wretched beast into the ground before it gets up agian.

It's not a good New Labour day today. One of them got a free ride in a police car.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5173860.stm

That wont happen. There is no way that Labour will go back to its 1980s image.

But it can and will adjust once Blair has gone.



Most people in Labour want a change and want rid of Blair and they recognise he is too autocratic.

They do care what voters think - they have to rationalise things especially as elections come nearer and due to financial constraints.

Caring is something one human being does for another. The word can not be properly used to describe the actions of an organisation in this way.

Also, an election is nowhere near.

It won't matter now whether Tony Blair goes or stays or (hopefully) hangs himself with piano wire. New Labour can't be trusted. They had to deceive the City and voters to shake off their old image to get elected in '97. Now they have reverted to type, and I do not believe they have much future. They managed to fool the electorate (or at least the small part of the electorate who bothered to vote) in 2005. But only weeks after the election , many were feeling like they had been taken for a ride.

I know many friends who switched to New Labour in '97, some of who have drifted away from them since. I know no-one personally who intends to ever vote New Labour again. I suppose New Labour will have to change their name again! Anyone who gave it some thought in '97 would have realised that you can't trust a political party that rebrands itself like a soap powder.

Now thats not a very nice thing to say. When Blair goes so will new labour philosophy.



Course it can it means the Labour party is beginning to realise it is in trouble and cares about what people think.



Didnt say it was - but as it nears.

We are not talking about a nice person.


Brown was the originator of New Labour. If he replaces Bliar we will then begin to get a real taste of what New Labour was always meant to be about. Have a glass of water handy.

'Philosophy'? I think you misuse the word. A marketing gimmick and a name for their plan to use class war to further their own ends.

Good point.

The only 'philosophy' these New Labour skunks have is how to get power, and hold on to it.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if Blair was arrested & charged over the Cash for Peerages issue? No wonder the Lords hasn't been reformed by them, and become a fully elected second chamber. New Labour would be financially bankrupt without the patronage.

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I think you are to politically intense for this forum.

You should step back and have a look at the broader picture of hat is happening to the political scene.

'Wonderful' would not be an adequate word to describe that happy day.

I must admit, I am surprised Scotland Yard has gone as far as siezing documents from the Cabinet Office. (I have not yet seen it described as a seizure as yet, but that is what it wold be called were it a private company). They are also trawling through Cabinet Office hard drives with special software able to reconstruct deleted emails.

On Radio 4 this evening, the news opened with the story about Lord Cashpoint and asked something to the effect : "Is the investigation getting ever closer to the Prime Minister?"

My answer would be "Let's hope so".