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 Post subject: make our own id cards
PostPosted: Tue, 01 May 2007 13:58:18 +0000 
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no2id should make some facsimilie ID cards and card-readers for members to carry - and be able to show to people. Arthur Chappell

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PostPosted: Tue, 01 May 2007 20:08:54 +0000 
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Hi Arthur,

What kind of ID cards were you thinking of?

I still think ID cards with petrified-looking people on them is a neat and subversive idea.

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PostPosted: Tue, 01 May 2007 20:41:00 +0000 
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davegould wrote:
Hi Arthur,

What kind of ID cards were you thinking of?

I still think ID cards with petrified-looking people on them is a neat and subversive idea.


An authentic looking one, with a chance to show folk the kind of data it would reveal - you could then have someone asking to see it, etc, and it would be useful to show people what they could lok like and how they'll be used. Arthur Chappell

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PostPosted: Tue, 01 May 2007 22:56:59 +0000 
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davegould wrote:

I still think ID cards with petrified-looking people on them is a neat and subversive idea.


Yes. And details listed below, such as:

'Cheated on wife on Monday'
'Went to the GP about genital warts on Tuesday'
'Bought blow-up doll by mail order on Wednesday'
'Signed up for dating agency in Thursday'
'Bought a pint of Guinness and a glass of sherry at the bar at the Kings Arms, before paying for a room for two at the local Travel Lodge on Friday'
'Bought flowers from service station on Saturday'
'Was seen on CCTV, being kicked out of ex-wife's house on Sunday'

And a slogan: Nothing to hide?


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PostPosted: Tue, 01 May 2007 23:06:56 +0000 
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bovlomov wrote:
davegould wrote:

I still think ID cards with petrified-looking people on them is a neat and subversive idea.


Yes. And details listed below, such as:

'Bought a pint of Guinness and a glass of sherry at the bar at the Kings Arms, before paying for a room for two at the local Travel Lodge on Friday'
'Bought flowers from service station on Saturday'


'Was seen on CCTV, being kicked out of ex-wife's house on Sunday'

And a slogan: Nothing to hide?
Amuzing as that might be we should show the public a serious aspect of what carrying ID cards will involve - the real deal won't be funny. ID CARD UK, my collection of 27 stories about Britain as an ID Card
motivated police state is now available on Lulu at http://www.lulu.com/content/754662

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PostPosted: Wed, 02 May 2007 07:33:09 +0000 
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Arthur.

I was thinking that a few details from a not particularly unusual person's life - amusing or not - would be a good reminder about the intrusive nature of the NIR.

There was an earlier thread here (ages ago!), collecting the type of information about you that you wouldn't want to be publicised. Not illegal, but PRIVATE.

The idea was to counter the NOTHING TO HIDE....etc argument.

How about these then?..

Dyslexic, suffers from diabetes, gets on the train at the same time each day, had an expensive television delivered last week, sometimes stops to chat to a known drug user, works at an animal testing laboratory...etc.


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PostPosted: Wed, 02 May 2007 08:06:01 +0000 
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Bovlomov makes asumptions about how much datathe ID card itself ca carry. He suggests - Dyslexic, suffers from diabetes, gets on the train at the same time each day, had an expensive television delivered last week, sometimes stops to chat to a known drug user, works at an animal testing laboratory...etc.

The thing to remember is that the card will be small, possibly credit card sized. The amount of data it displays directly is limited but what it can give a card reader through the National Identity Register is much higher.


Data you will most likely see on the card

CARD NUMBER 42985329100724542
PHOTO
NAME - ARTHUR PETER CHAPPELL
CURRENT KNOWN ADDRESS
NATIONALITY - BRITISH
NATIONAL INSURANCE NUMBER
BIOMETRIC DATA STRIP
CRIMINAL RECORD - NO
RETINAL SCAN IMAGE
FINGERPRINTS
BLOOD GROUP
NEXT OF KIN - MOTHER - ALWYN CHAPPELL

Other data can be gleaned from the National Identity register. When the ID card reader checks the card, heccan read comments made onthe Register or or add comments of his own.

NIR data - Card check 2/4/2007 8.45 AM vald. Arthur Chappell is currently a writer and a warehouse operative. He has been involved in religious cults, and he is politically quite radical. A known opponant of ID cards, he has a website which contains data that is political, anti-religious and sexually explicit. www.arthurchappell.clara.net/ He has never been dismissed from employment, but he has a habit of walking out on jobs he dislikes. He is interested in both science fiction (futurism) and Civil war Re-enactment (history) so he is a dreamer more inspired by past and future than by the present.
He published a book of short stories, ID CARD UK, which he hoped would help get ID card introduction stopped in Britain. The book is still available at http://www.lulu.com/content/754662

Level of threat to National Security - Low.
Likilihood to get into financial difficulties - high.

Purpose of last ID check - assesing suitability for employment in a new warehousing position.

Arthur Chappel, though allowing his cards to be checked, can be surly and cynical to ID Card Inspectors.

What I would like is to have a fake card that gives the above data, and a professional print out, on headed paper of what the readerwould se on the print out data. I could then talk people through what can be done with the information their card gives aboutthem during any and all inspections. If we can actually SHOW people how the system works it will be more practical than just telling them.

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Bovlomov makes asumptions about how much datathe ID card itself ca carry


I made no such assumption.

I am merely assuming that the NIR (or whatever half-arsed substitute is cobbled together) will permit an unknown number of officials to put together a fairly broad picture of our lives.

Yours is a very good idea, but as you are so clear about what this facsimile card should or shouldn't contain, why don't you make them yourself?


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Bovlomov makes asumptions about how much datathe ID card itself ca carry


I made no such assumption.

I am merely assuming that the NIR (or whatever half-arsed substitute is cobbled together) will permit an unknown number of officials to put together a fairly broad picture of our lives.

Yours is a very good idea, but as you are so clear about what this facsimile card should or shouldn't contain, why don't you make them yourself?
I can come up with the idea but actual production - manufacture is another matter - can't design for toffee

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davegould wrote:
Hi Arthur,

What kind of ID cards were you thinking of?

I still think ID cards with petrified-looking people on them is a neat and subversive idea.


How about simply one with the name "Winston Smith" on it?

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