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I'd like some feedback from the office about two poster designs I'm working on who should I email? It basically to check facts and make sure I'm not misleading the public, and cauing the campaign grief in that way.

Also suggestions on how to improve the text would be good. Not sure how you post images up here on the forums [/img]

Here are links to the poster designs, comments and feedback would be great, and don't worry about offending anyone. you won't as long as its constructive critisism.

Its work in progress so not a lot of work has yet gone into them and I'd rather get any changes to the poster done now, rather than when they were finished

Also if any one knows of a good illustrator who might be able to do a better job than me, for free. then please let me know.

http://www.glasgow-no2id.org.uk/posters ... _small.jpg
http://www.glasgow-no2id.org.uk/posters ... _small.jpg

Good posters, Ricardo!

The demo one is very eye-catching, especially the irony that all the nice demonstrators are bare-faced and it's the scary policeman who's concealing his. The link with ID Cards is tenuous, though, and as most people have never done much demonstrating it might not appeal personally to many people. Sadly, I'm not sure it will have all that much impact.

The terrorism one is possibly more relevant, and nicely amusing. It has my vote. Well done for avoiding using a bearded male terrorist.

Immigration seems to be a hotter button politically, when it comes to the possible utility of ID Cards, and I wonder if you've had any ideas around that? The difficulty is coming up with a poster that appeals to everyone (whether they're worried about immigration or not), but still makes the point that ID Cards will make bugger all difference either way.

My 2p-worth, anyway.

This probably seems a really obvious one, but I assume that a spell-checker will be applied prior to publication...? *ducks*

I spotted a hallmark "Governmnet" on one of them

Might seem overly pedantic but people will happily pick holes in the small details whilst completely ignoring the message, and provides irrelevant ammunition for the 'pro' side.

The first one seems a bit 'anti-police', but I definitely like the principle of the second one.
I was trying to think of some fine-tuning for the words but it's tricky when it has to be short!

Thanks Doctor Wibble

Yes I don't seem to be able to spell government right when I'm quickly typing it.

But yes that will be solved for the final design.

The Police poster I think maybe a police man with a camera might be more appropriate. and more truthful.

Capnbob

Yes I agree the protest one is more personal to me I guess. And I need to think up a good idea to attack the governments argument that id cards will solve any problem they have with illegal immigration, remember its illegal immigration not immigration.

On your other point about coming up with one poster that appeals to every one. I personally don't think thats possible and I would like to see maybe 4 poster designs takling 4 different areas. One of them I agree should be on the subject of illegal immigration. and the other one on how it could all go wrong.

Thanks for the comments guys, Anyone else with comments? I'm all ears.

Yeah, the first one is a DefyID kind of thing and would be great to send round activist networks.

There was a similar terrorism one here.

The only one I can think of with immigration is a jack booted British Nazi demanding ID from a terrified 80 year old Muslim with the tag line saying "Worth it?"

The protester one? Whys it just a defy ID one. It seems a pefectly logical step to make if you replace the policeman's teargas gun (I think thats what it is) with a camera then the link is if they film you now they may want your ID later.

Indeed my partner went to a demo once and the police stopped and entered the buses they were travelling on, photographed and searched everyone going to the demo. It was crazy. By the time they were finished she was totally pissed of with them and even more angry.

I don't speak for central NO2ID, I'm just saying that's the whole point of DefyID if central don't want to use it.

Keep the ideas coming. I think we have a PR company helping us now so 'proof-of-concept' is almost as helpful as finished product.

OK dave cool,

it would be good to get an OK from central NO2id as I think its good to keep the overall message the same, or at least similar

Two points on the protest poster.

1. Design:

We have a big problem with any NO2ID poster seeming to endorse any other cause. I would not want any of the slogans visible to be readable.

If they were you need two clearly and directly opposed ones, that will be understood as such by the casual reader. All the slogans on view here come from a particular associated set of radical leftist causes that most of the population and many NO2ID supporters would reject.

It is also highly offputting to many people, regardless of slogan, because protesters, per se are fequently seen as weirdos with whom one personally would not wish to associate.

2. Strategy:

However sympathetic we may be to the liberty to demonstrate as individuals, and however much we might want to use that liberty as a campaign, NO2ID is NOT the campaign for freedom to demonstrate.

That it might hypothetically inconvenience or monitor demonstrators is a pretty weak argument to make to anyone who isn't an habitual demonstrator in any case. (At least part of me says, those horrid people inconvenienced - good!) But more to the point the broad impression given by the poster is "NO2ID supports demos". Point 1. that the impression is given NO2ID supports a specific radical sort of demos, exacerbates the problem.

A general point on posters:

They are by far the hardest piece of publicity material to do well. They have even less time than press ads to make a point. The point should be therefore be visible at a glance. Both these fall down in that the reader has to get into the small print to see the point.

Thanks for the feedback Guy.

We could have some more right wing demonstrations in there such as the countryside alliance ones.

But to be honest I can't think of any other big demos from the the so called right of politics, Maybe you have some suggestions. I'm all for reaching more of the country in this way.

The demos I choose were because they were popular, and are now mainly all percived to be morally right (in my opinion)

But I should probably replace the end Zionism ( I was just very taken with the image), with the countyside alliance as thats a more popular demo and apppeals to a different section of the country.

The subject matter for the poster was lifted straight from phils video

http://www.communitychannel.org/index.p ... utostart=1

While I take your point that the poster does come across as no2id supporting peoples right to demonstrate. isn't that a good thing? I don't think you'd get many people saying. 'I don't support peoples right to demonstrate', and that goes even for people who are against the demonstrations.

While the vast majority of people may not demonstrate I belive that they support the right to demonstrate. And if we get across to the actual various campaigners and demonstrators that they should be helping us to combat this then that will be a good thing, as those people have a proven track record of standing on street corners giving out leaflets attending small scale press grabbing demos, putting up posters. And I think no2id need more of those active campaigners on the street.

A note about the challenge of posters. Yes people will have to go up and read the small print but they will do so if the image is striking enough and hit a chord with them. The whole point does not need to be made at first glance. It also depends where you put the posters. near bus stops or pedestrian crossings would be a good place. or near where people queue for lunch.

Thanks for taking the time to comment Guy and I will try softening the demos. maybe include a teachers demo and the country side alliance demo.

We frequently publicise that we are single issue and don't support other issues and campaigns so as to avoid being tarred by the Govt et al. It is a form of innoculation if you like.

It would also dilute the message.



That's true. As I said, there are existing activists' networks eg mailing lists, the mass demos they're always trying to get us involved with, Respect etc.

The big no-no is doing anything that will affect NO2ID's public image.

So as long as messages are targetted at those individuals who will respond and are out of the national media spotlight, then I suspect 'central' will be happy with it.



True. You can also use them as A3 flyers.

In case nobody else has spotted it "Govermnent" is misspelt in the poster.

No.

It is really really difficult to try and maintain a clear, externally comprehensible, image for the campaign. Our audience for images is still primarily the media, because that's how they are propagated. It is potentially very damaging to the campaign to be seen as merely another face of the self-consciously "radical" protest movement.

There are few "right wing" demos because street demonstration is culturally a leftist activity, an expression of certain values and shorthand for a tight constellation of views. It is miles from mainstream for the most part. There are many people who find it as repellent, excluding and oppressive as a paramillitary march.

defy-id is very much part of the radical subculture. We are trying to be distinctive. And, patchily, have succeeded to the point where politicians and press take us seriously.

As activity is much increased over the course of the next year, we will be experimenting with the symbolic language of public demonstration. But we will be looking to stay distinctive, recognisable, and a single issue campaign open to all to support.

I posted this image under the slogan message board and decide to move it here:

Ideas for images:

* Baby in foetal position in womb with large Barcode on their back e.g.:
http://www.geocities.com/quantock_schoo ... _cards.png

* Blair smiling were his teeth are a barcode:

* A "U" surrounded by a barcode cell - see top slogan:

* DNA double helix where the bases pairs are a barcode:

* The classic scene from Spartacus - we can have all the slaves saying "No, I'm citizen 10100101010101001" :

* Image based on the master card adverts e.g.:
£130 for a new ID card
Cost of travelling to London for your "interview" (£60-£250)
Using a days Holidays to travel to London for your "interview"
- Loss of your privacy - priceless!

... and just to make me feel a bit better:
http://www.geocities.com/quantock_schoo ... _Cards.png

I like the first image of the baby with the bar code, its striking, and also the strapline is pointing people more towards the databases which are the really dangerous part of the scheme.

nice one

Hello

I posted a few ideas for a poster a while back, well just checking back to see if anyhting much is happening ... well anyway - just for fun, see this poster idea: http://www.geocities.com/quantock_schoo ... _cards.png

QG

I agree. The opposition will pick up any mistakes and run with it.

Mind you I like the second one, humour always seems to do quite well as long as it is in good taste. It seems like quite a typical British bit of wit and should be memorable.

Speaking as one of those aforementioned Countryside Alliance Right-Wingers, I can tell you you wouldn't be getting our support. We are not anarchists.

Did you even read this thread? Nor are we.