NO2ID

I was shocked to see in my local Tesco today leaflets saying that from 25 May if they think you are under 25 you must prove you are not by showing photo driving licence, passport, something called Pass with a hologram or a National ID card. I am 66 years old but would be A GREATLY ANNOYED 25 year old if challenged to show these documents.

What is the reason for this imposition? I have been away from the UK for some months so excuse me if my question is behind the times. It strikes me that Tesco is cowtowing to some Government directive to get younger folk used to showing ID all the time they are out.

Once I am out of the UK I have NEVER had to show any ID at all!

It would thoroughly annoy me too. I live in the Isle of Man and they are trying to introduce that culture here:

Under 25's to be challenged before buying alchohol

http://www.manxradio.com/newsread.aspx?id=35667

Also have a look at Asda's teaspoon policy:

Nanny Knows Best

http://nannyknowsbest.blogspot.com/2009/04/dangers-of-teaspoons.html

I've also been asked in the form:



That's Dover. Tesco in my area of London definitely accepts PASS cards, too.

The problem is, as I have pointed out on these forums many times before
(e.g. http://forum.no2id.net/viewtopic.php?t=27036)

... the Licensing Act 2003, which places the newly empowered local authority licensing departments under a statutory duty to work to eliminate under age drinking, as the DCMS interprets the legislation. They use agents provocateurs to run test purchase campaigns. Off-licenses, including supermarkets are thus under a reign of terror because it is up to them to prove they took all reasonable steps to prevent illegal sales, or they and any staff-members involved may be convicted.

Since Challenge 21 has clearly not prevented children getting hold of alcohol, the authorities have now started to proceed on the assumption adults must be buying it for them, which is now an offence, and which retailers are also supposed to prevent on pain of losing their licenses. The idea seems to be that adults between 21 and 24 are more likely to be proxies for minors. (Which seems to me highly implausible.)

http://www.wsta.co.uk/Press/Retail-indu ... sales.html

here in leics they (the council) frequently run "stings" against off-licences and tend to catch out quite a few for whom i have little sympathy as, according the reports in the local paper, the council use ppl clearly under-age, (usually 15 or so and who look it), who are told to answer truthfully if asked their age (i.e. they're not allowed to lie/deceive the seller). can i assume other councils act differently? if not, surely there is no need for id or any proof of age in terms of liability as simply asking someone their age will ensure they aren't council stooges?

I wish someone had told the neighbours lad he can't get hold of alcohol before he had his birthday party a week or so back, there were at least 3 empty vodka bottles in my bin the following day

eliminated under age purchasing and consumption of alcohol have they

I wonder whose statistics are being used ?

Does anyone know if any research has been conducted that actually confirms this?

Creeping compulsion at it's finest. First it was 18, then 21, now 25.

Can't be too careful, better get used to carrying ID because it'll make going about your lawful business so much more convenient for you.

I also like this conditioning from Leicestershire Constabulary's guide to our new private security forces-

http://www.leics.police.uk/advice/2_inf ... aqs/%5Burl

# Require name and address of a person who has committed a relevant offence: for penalty notices and offences that cause injury, alarm and distress to another person or damage or loss of another's property.

# Require name and address of a person acting in an anti-social manner.

# Require name and address of a driver or pedestrian who fails to follow appropriate directions.

And as a photographer-

Photograph a person who has been given a penalty notice away from a police station.

Since when have photos been required of people issued penalty notices?

Still, as a photographer, I'll no doubt find it more convenient to carry an official ID card if photographing in a public place.

(I also like the potential double jeopardy of refusing to supply info to rentacops. Presumably that would result in summoning a real police officer, and extra penalties for wasting police time.)

Roll on general election.

That was exactly what I thought when I saw it in my local supermarket (It's in almost every shop in the town now)!

Just a sneaky way to get the younger generation used to giving away their identity whenever somebody demands it.

Get 'em young, then they know no different!

Is it really that difficult to distinguish a 25 year old from a 17 year old?