"Guest" complaints on anonymity & counting pub

Lee · **Joined:** Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:16:14 +0000 **Posts:** 56

I don't know if you are being deliberately obtuse about using the "Guest" tag.

No2ID fiercely guard our right to anonymity.

Most of us post here anonymously. That is not the same thing as saying that we all have to use the same tag "guest". We make a tag up. Perhaps it means something to us, in some cases it's a bit of our real name. It is also our choice, like Andrew, to not be anonymous at all.

The important thing about doing that is that then you can get a proper conversation or discussion going because people know that it is the same person as last time.

So give yourself a unique tag. Call yourself xyz if you like. That way we won't have to work out which are your posts (and not another person posting as Guest) from their content.

There are some other advantages : There will also be no danger that another Guest posts pretending to be you. Nor can any other guest's posts be accidently attributed to you.

Also also some of us, who understand your point fully and are rather fed up with the repeated-assertion-with-no-evidence or expansion of arguments, will be able to ignore your posts more easily.

Lee

Moderation: This side-discussion on completely-anonyous posts and the counting of public posts split from "24-: Prepaid debit card 'with built-in proof-of-age ID'" thread in "Arts & Pubs".

Guest · **Posted:** Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:36:23 +0000

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Also also some of us, who understand your point fully and are rather fed up with the repeated-assertion-with-no-evidence or expansion of arguments, will be able to ignore your posts more easily.

And so the ganging up continues. As I said I tend to find an insidious streak of bullying if one dares make assertions contrary to familiar opinions on here.

Your narrow view of repeated assertions lacking evidence is complete tosh because I have given many examples of what appears to be happening especially regarding passports.

If you wish to ignore such comments then please do as that is your right and there is no need to mention that you wish to ignore them - just do it.

So grow up and listen to contrary arguments - you may learn something.

Lee · **Joined:** Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:16:14 +0000 **Posts:** 56

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Your narrow view of repeated assertions lacking evidence is complete tosh because I have given many examples of what appears to be happening especially regarding passports.

Well in which case, maybe I'll make my point another way.

Your posts get lost in the midst of many many posts from other people called guest. In that fog, it looks very much to me that you are merely stating things and not offering evidence (merely lists), or saying essentially the same thing on every possible thread. I've enjoyed many discussions on here (both reading and being involved) and I'm sure opinions have changed because of them and would like the opportunity for my opinion to be changed if the evidence backs it up.

However I cannot get that from your posts. If you think that is my fault because I'm not able to read, understand your subtle points, am brainwashed or because I am not able to spend the time decyphering which posts are yours and which are other Guests, then that's your right, and I suspect there is little point my replying again because this thread will be moderated to off-topic soon. If you'd like to try to engage and be constructive then it would be helpful, to me and maybe others, if you always posted from the same anonymous unique tag. You do not have to give any personal information or register to do this.

Lee

Guest · **Posted:** Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:03:48 +0000

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Well in which case, maybe I'll make my point another way.

No let me put it another way - just ignore the posts that you disagree with, simple even for you to understand, or maybe not.

capnbob · **Posted:** Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:19:44 +0000

Guest wrote:

So grow up and listen to contrary arguments - you may learn something.

Guest wrote:

No let me put it another way - just ignore the posts that you disagree with, simple even for you to understand, or maybe not.

Hmmm.

Guest · **Posted:** Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:22:23 +0000

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Hmmm.

Oh my and the bullies jostle for attention.

No contradiction in these statements because this Lee character obviously is incapable of learning so he may as well ignore opinions contrary to his own.

I rather enjoy this infantile bitchiness so keep it coming boys.

NO2ID Volunteer · **Posted:** Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:42:06 +0000

Infantile Bitcher wrote:

I rather enjoy this infantile bitchiness so keep it coming boys.

I think our anonymous guest has finally given us a name to use for him: "Infantile Bitcher". I like it.

robinoi2 · **Posted:** Sat, 19 Apr 2008 00:55:25 +0000

I would not say Lee is necessarily 'incapable of learning' - probably more that he has not been presented with suffice logic or fact in counter-arguments to dissuade him from his position - possibly also because his perspective may be based on hypotheticals that as yet cannot be categorically written off and vice-versa.
And one's deepest held precepts can be curiously powerful. When researching conspiracy theories relating to 9/11 for the Rough Guide to Conspiracy Theories, it was fascinating to chart the inummerable inconsistencies, disturbing anomalies and wealth of unanswered questions about the attacks that led many to believe the whole thing was in part if not in full an 'inside job' of some kind, with some pointedly high-calibre and well-placed individuals incurring ridicule and censure for maintaining their highly controversial but, to them, well-founded positions that collectively made for a way, way more sinister enterprise leading to that day. Much seemed compelling and made enough sense where I thought 'no, the official story doesn't stand up' and the alternative evidence and concomitant allegations were at least worthy to get a 'not proven' result were the 'official' ever compelled to defend itself in court - or a civil verdict of 'guilty' if not a criminal one, a la OJ.
But I realised that however much was said or done to show the official story was simply overwhelmingly flawed, and that an 'inside job' was both plausible and indeed practically undeniable, I still could not believe it because it would still be, to me, fundamentally inconceivable. Really weird to find such a barrier of perception.

Guest · **Posted:** Sat, 19 Apr 2008 09:18:32 +0000

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I think our anonymous guest has finally given us a name to use for him: "Infantile Bitcher". I like it.

And you have lived up to that bitchiness - keep it coming bully boys.

Guest · **Posted:** Sat, 19 Apr 2008 10:45:10 +0000

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Posting more than 3000 messages on this Forum saying variations on "Compulsory ID cards are inevitable, we're all doomed" certainly isn't an effective way of defending your privacy.

I feel compelled to come back to your comment.

If this were a data protection issue you would be prosecuted for revealing to the public domain my private data which NO2ID has collected and you have accessed and used without my permission.

While I can't prosecute you, an apology would suffice.

It also shows how such data can be manipulated as most of my posts have been anti-ID card and other related media reports and my vigorous contempt for all things ID card and DNA and surveillance related.

zorrodp · **Posted:** Sat, 19 Apr 2008 11:14:35 +0000

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Posting more than 3000 messages on this Forum saying variations on "Compulsory ID cards are inevitable, we're all doomed" certainly isn't an effective way of defending your privacy.

I feel compelled to come back to your comment.

If this were a data protection issue you would be prosecuted for revealing to the public domain my private data which NO2ID has collected and you have accessed and used without my permission.

While I can't prosecute you, an apology would suffice.

It also shows how such data can be manipulated as most of my posts have been anti-ID card and other related media reports and my vigorous contempt for all things ID card and DNA and surveillance related.

Can't see that any personal or private data has been revealed.

The posts themselves are public; the content is public; the number of posts is public; the identity of the poster/posters is/are not known ........

Guest · **Posted:** Sat, 19 Apr 2008 11:15:14 +0000

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If this were a data protection issue you would be prosecuted for revealing to the public domain my private data which NO2ID has collected and you have accessed and used without my permission.

And exactly which private data has been revealed to the public domain? Which data has been collected and used without your permission?

If you have registered then you will have agreed to these terms:

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If you haven't then I fail to see how private data can be collected and used as you describe because none has been captured.

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While I can't prosecute you

Surely, if your claims above were true, you would be able to address your concerns through the Data Protection Act.

Guest · **Posted:** Sat, 19 Apr 2008 11:34:28 +0000

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Can't see that any personal or private data has been revealed.

The posts themselves are public; the content is public; the number of posts is public; the identity of the poster/posters is/are not known ........

He revealed the number of posts from one individual so he searched for this data and deliberately placed it into the public domain. At the very least he used this data to attack the individual concerned even though no names were revealed this is isolating data to make a personal attack.

Guest · **Posted:** Sat, 19 Apr 2008 11:36:18 +0000

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And exactly which private data has been revealed to the public domain? Which data has been collected and used without your permission?

He specifically mentioned 3,000 posts so as I said he looked at my figures alone and revealed them to the public domain.

capnbob · **Posted:** Sat, 19 Apr 2008 11:47:01 +0000

Data Protection Act 1998 s.1(1) wrote:

“personal data” means data which relate to a living individual who can be identified—
(a)from those data, or
(b)from those data and other information which is in the possession of, or is likely to come into the possession of, the data controller,
and includes any expression of opinion about the individual and any indication of the intentions of the data controller or any other person in respect of the individual

Can't identify you, Guest, so how is the DPA relevant?

Guest · **Posted:** Sat, 19 Apr 2008 11:49:12 +0000

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he looked at my figures

But how?? I am "Guest", not you!

Impostor!

Where's that Spartacus, never around when you need him...

zorrodp · **Posted:** Sat, 19 Apr 2008 11:50:23 +0000

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Can't see that any personal or private data has been revealed.

The posts themselves are public; the content is public; the number of posts is public; the identity of the poster/posters is/are not known ........

He revealed the number of posts from one individual so he searched for this data and deliberately placed it into the public domain. At the very least he used this data to attack the individual concerned even though no names were revealed this is isolating data to make a personal attack.

Ah - well sticks and stones etc ....... it hadn't occurred to me to look beofre but I see I'm in the top 20 of posters, but these multiK posters are in a different league.

Some postings have occasionally been critiqued challenged or even rubbished - but that's part of thr rough and tumble of healthy debate.

I'm not sure that saying 'more than 3000' reveals any exact or sensitive information, but being asked to justify assertions is hardly an attack, personal or anonymous.

And at that point I'll end my contribution to this thread unless some evidence backed posts on the substantive topic come along.

Guest · **Posted:** Sat, 19 Apr 2008 11:57:07 +0000

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Can't identify you, Guest, so how is the DPA relevant?

As I said I can't prosecute under the act - can't you read?

But as I have indicated he deliberately sort out my number of postings which must be referenced by my IP address and has used this information for his own ends.

Rather shoddy and the kinda thing we would expect from a surveillance state. And on top of that he misused the information.

Guest · **Posted:** Sat, 19 Apr 2008 11:58:56 +0000

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But how?? I am "Guest", not you!

Impostor!

Where's that Spartacus, never around when you need him...

Duh, are you stoopid? The point I am making is that Andrew Watson used my information of number of postings by checking them to my IP address and then used this information in a shabby way to attack me personally.

Guest · **Posted:** Sat, 19 Apr 2008 12:01:09 +0000

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I'm not sure that saying 'more than 3000' reveals any exact or sensitive information, but being asked to justify assertions is hardly an attack, personal or anonymous.

It is when the information entrusted to people with access to data is used to bolster an argument against that individual and also when the claims about that information were erroneous too.

ukliberty · **Joined:** Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:27:42 +0000 **Posts:** 389

It is annoying that you use the name "Guest" as it does not differentiate you from casual 'guests'.

I can't empathise at all with your problem. Why are you being so difficult? You seem to be deliberately antagonising other contributors.

NO2ID

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